[Jane of Arc]

Hi Jennifer~

Supposedly, you would go next to Libra. But, I don't live my life according to astrology. My feeling is that we have free will to decide our next incarnation. I feel it depends on what we learned in our present life and how that impacts the next. I imagine it's almost like a theartrical presentation ... a play or a movie ... where we sit down with other members of our 'soul family', the "cast" and decide what role each of us needs to play to help the other. A living play, if you will, where we impact each other's spiritual growth.

Just a thought. What do you think? :)

[Jennifer_SFBA]

What I think, Jane, comes from what I've investigated and experienced. Some of my investigation lead me to Ingo Swan's work with Hal Puthof, Ph.D. Physics and Russel Targ, Ph.D., Physics who scienfically evaluated, tested and ultimately developed protocols for psychic functioning that served to increase the psychic signal and lessen psychic interferance or psychic noise. Ingo Swan was already an excellent, recognized natural psychic at the time he agreed to work with Drs. Puthoff and Targ. They were looking for the science behind psychic functioning so that protocols could be developed, then taught to ordinary, non-psychic people who were in the military intelligence services. Some of the things they found out while reseaching psychic funtioning is that consciousness is non-local, that there is a psychically accessable "hall of records," also known as the "Akashic Records" held electromagnetically due to inter-planetary electromagnetic processes of past events of "physical" worlds and that our world of light, the physicality of our third dimensional reality, is "holographic." So all there is, is light; light speeded up or light slowed down. If we're living in a physically light induced hologram, for what purpose and to what end? Then, to extend the inquiry further, that is really important to do, one may ask, what is light? That free Google video you saw and enjoyed so much, Jane, "What the Bleep Do We Know," touches on that and gives some clues to the power of light in mind to be a creative force, to our natural psychic connectedness, not just coexistant within our third dimensional holographic, light filled, reality, but interdimensionally. Shouldn't that knowledge and the application of that knowlege be basic to education? Why is it not? Well, what might be the implications for all life on Earth if it were? Who has and who controls that knowledge now? What are they doing with it?

It seems to me that connectedness on those levels here and now would make a profound difference in what happens here and now. Where we go in transition from what we call death to the life hereafter, really different frequencies and densities of light consciousness, is dependant on our connectedness to it. What if that connected were the goal rather than the pursuit of physical riches, power and control? What could We, the people of Earth not create and manifest? It appears to me that our purpose here in this third dimensional reality is not just to overcome propensities for the accumulation of those things, but to recognize and realize our creative spiritual nature in what is a spiritually physical world, universe. Those who have done it are called by many names, avatars, buddha, the Christ, etc. All are admitted, no-one is excluded. The angels, people of heaven, are waiting for people of Earth to awaken and join with them in this life, not just the next where they are and where we will be at transition.

Ingo Swan's website with many well thought out treatises along with stunning examples of his own art work is at the link below. Afer clicking on the link, click on the picture you see that is of one of his own fine paintings to enter his site, then look around:

http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/

ENJOY!

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Psychic functioning is a right brain process. So, an educational system that would seek to train right brain activity would promote a strong arts program in public schools. What passes for art in public schools today that includes coloring in prepared, outlined figures and tracing is disgraceful, and it is deliberate to keep learning on the brain's left side. Why? The answer is to keep the slaves in line in order to perpetuate the present systems.

[Jane of Arc]

Great and important posts Jennifer! It made me realize we need a new thread on this exact topic.

This is a political site ... but politics and human spirit are interwined. The interaction of different manifestations of power should be discussed.

How does the spiritual aspect of humanity impact politics and world events?

How do people with political power impact the human spirit?

Is the world being manipulated, controlled and dumbed-down spiritually on purpose? And by who? And how?

And also the GReaT BiG HuMaN GRaND SNaFU QUeSTioN of ALL TiMe ... what happens when you die?

[MAGI]

Psychic functioning is a right brain process. So, an educational system that would seek to train right brain activity would promote a strong arts program in public schools. What passes for art in public schools today that includes coloring in prepared, outlined figures and tracing is disgraceful, and it is deliberate to keep learning on the brain's left side. Why? The answer is to keep the slaves in line in order to perpetuate the present systems.

You're so right Jennifer, Jane!

Keep the masses uneducated, their women barefooted and pregnant and the very wealthy will gain complete controll and have the soldiers to fight their battles, the rest of us to service them, so they may keep their wealth and power if we don't stop this progression now.....................

So many are there already, they believe "The Rapture" or whatever is preferable........

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Thank you setting up this thread and for your idea of the play on Earth, Jane! People are being born on Earth all the time. Souls are transiting from another, or other dimensional world(s) to this dimensional world to be part of this world in the condition in which it now exists. What are those souls' desires and purposes that lead them to come to Earth? Earth has both good and evil. So, the internal play on Earth does have to do with those dynamics. Earth is environmentally out of balance by population, systems of governance, resources and polution and Earth is overwhelmed. The internal play on Earth involves that reality. The play on Earth is working on dynamics between spirituality and religion. Are there inherently evil souls and good souls? If so, I wonder what the proportion of each might be who are incarnating on Earth now, an interesting question with no qualitative or quantitative answer at this time.

A further thought about the "Hall of Records:" One of the things people who have died, transited, do on the other side is spend time in the library. Yes, that library; the "Hall of Records." They attend classes. Since people who have transited are in a higher vibrational plane, they see us in this lower vibrational plane well, while some people in this vibrational plane see them only occasionally. An analogy is the fish bowl. The fish in the bowl see perfectly their world within the bowl. We, see the wider world beyond the fish bowl and all around the fish bowl and the world within the fish bowl in which the fish themselves live and act out their lives, clearly.

Interesting!

[Jennifer_SFBA]

There are three important and very interesting books about experiences and communications with other dimensional beings that the author, Robert Monroe, described about his frequent "Out of Body" state experiences before he transitioned to that "other side" himself. They are "Far Journeys," "Journey's Out of the Body," and "The Ultimate Journey." Robert Monroe describes the communications he had with other dimesnional beings as "thought balls" containing "precepts," at once consisting of picture, idea and feeling, without words. By reading Robert Monroe's books, more is able to be gleaned about the nature of life after this life. During one his Out of the Body experiences, Robert Monroe visited a medical doctor friend on the other side who had passed over, transitioned. His descriptions about the experiences he had on the other side with his long time doctor friend are wonderous and priceless.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/104-5952170-5580737?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=robert+monroe&Go.x=11&Go.y=7

The information in the "Hall of Records" is not contained in books. It's holographic.

[FDRfollower]

If you're going to get into such questions, turn to Socrates and Plato first. :)

Phaedon; Or, The Death of Socrates by Moses Mendelssohn

part 1 (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/transl/mend_phadn_cullen.html)

part 2 (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/transl/mend_phadn_cullen-2.html)

part 3 (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/transl/mend_phadn_cullen-3.html)

THEN, you can discuss what happens after you die. Best thing, is to copy the dialogue, and print it out, and then grab a few friends and read it as a drama. Read it loudly in a public place (coffee house for example) for best effect in getting your neighbors to think. You'll make them curious anyway.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Thank you for posting that, FDRfollower. It's fun to read. I haven't finished it. I did find in part 2, well, just before the real Part II, the following:

"But, continued Socrates, in what can the well-being of a spirit, which has no longer any concern with the body, consist? Meat and drink, love and sensual pleasures, can no longer constitute her desires: what in this life pleases the feelings, the palate, the eye, and the ear, will then be below her notice. Perhaps she scarcely retains a faint and rueful remembrance of the sensual enjoyments of this life. Will she strive after the objects of those passions she had when she was attended by the body?

As little as sensible men do after the playthings of children."

Robert Monroe describes experiencing intense sensuality and emotion in his Out of the Body state and seeing colors more vividly that do not exist on Earth. People who were clinically dead have reported hearing music and seeing angelic guides. One such person, I recall, reported that she had heard and seen a most beautiful choir of angels.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

I read that many many years ago, FDRfollower. What of it do you wish to discuss in the context, "What happens after you die" that you introduced?"

[Jane of Arc]

Hi FDR & Jennifer!

Okay FDR ~ I read and scanned most of the 3 posts you posted on Socrates. My problem is these early western philosophers, no matter how brilliant they are, they are "thinkers". They are intellectualizing creation, mortality and existence. Which is fine. But that kind of busy intellectual sport won't take you to the knowing presence of the spirit.

A later empiricist and rationalist, Rene Descartes said, "I think therefore, I exist." Oh really?

It wasn't until this past century that philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre came close with existentialism to observe something very profound. It was something very profound that Buddha has discovered 2,500 years before.

As a matter of fact, all the great spiritual teachers like Buddha, Christ and many unknown say the same thing that is understood by a few and misunderstood and turned into a "religion" by the masses.

What is the secret? The key to our spirits? It's the obvious truth Sartre stumbled upon when he noticed his thinking "ego" was being watched and monitored by ... who? It was himself, but what part of himself?

Here's what Jane says :sunny: :

I am.

The future and past do not exist.

There is only the present moment ... the eternal NOW.

And NOW is, and will forever be, the only point of power.

The 'mind' creates the future and lives in the past.

When your mind is in the past or future, which don't exist, you are insane.

When the collective mind believes that the past and future exist, there's collective insanity.

Turn off your mind and realize it's a useful tool you control. Usually the 'runaway' mind controls you. Put it away. Set it on a shelf. Be in the moment ... stay present ... just breathe and watch the wisdom flow.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Is there such thing as evil souls? Human beings are many things; souls including human bodies that have an electromagenetic DNA matrix that retains the soul within the body, has conscious awareness that is part soul and part body, has the capacity of directed intention sending and receiving subtle energies including pscychic and healing energies, etc. The evidence is becoming clear that human beings are a genetically created species, and that various species of alien beings were the agent of that creation. Is is corruption of the human body's DNA matrix that is the reason for evil on Earth rather than evil souls?

[Lionhearted]

What happens when you die? That is a very simple question to answer: eventually you decompose. Not being flippant or irreverent, just what I believe.

[FDRfollower]

Point taken Lion. Physically, you will eventually turn to dust. But what about your mind? Any thoughts besides those you have posted here at POL that you think will live beyond your mortal existance? Is there anything you have created that will be around long after you've passed this mortal coil?

I don't know if you've read the original Phaedo by Plato, but the thing you notice, is that its not quite complete. Mendelssohn not only translated it, but vastly improved Plato's dialogue. I read it a couple of years ago too, and, after I finish the Diaries of John Quincy Adams, would like to comment about it with you. There's a lot in it to discuss, although, its better read aloud together. You still up for that?

Now Jane, why would it be, that if Socrates is going through the proof of how to double the square (Meno dialogue), and I am reliving that discovery in my own mind, according to Jane's law, that makes me insane?? :confused: If I fight politically for policies that ensure the continuation and perpetuaty of the principles of the constitution, that makes me insane?

You yourself, have reflected on the fact that in your family history, you've had members that have fought in most of its wars (I think most). Whether you realize it or not, what constitutes Jane D'arc, are the artifacts of all that family history, plus, the culture you live in, for better or worse (kind of like being married).

[Lionhearted]

Point taken Lion. Physically, you will eventually turn to dust. But what about your mind? Any thoughts besides those you have posted here at POL that you think will live beyond your mortal existance? Is there anything you have created that will be around long after you've passed this mortal coil?
Hey FDR,
I am afraid that I am not terribly philosophical, obviously not very deep, don't believe in some boogeyman in the sky who decides if your "soul" will spend eternity in damnation or paradise. Nope I pretty much believe that when you die that's the end of the story, game, set, and match.

As for creating anything that will last beyond my passing, I doubt it. Nope once I'm gone you won't even know that I was here.

However I try not to denigrate or poke fun at those who believe differently than I do. I realize that I could be very wrong and if so, my bad.

[haus]

For the record, I'm with Lionhearted on this one. Though I do kind of like the idea of being haunted by Anna Nicole.

For the related question of "Where do you go before you die?" my afternoon points to an answer of "A 13.1 mile run."

[FDRfollower]

@ Haus :laughing:

@ Lion Well, I'm glad that for the time that you ARE here on earth, you spent some of it with us, spreading some of your common sense ideas, even if they aren't on the level with Socrates or such type.

Actually, come to think of it, after taking a look, I would include the Meno dialogue as required reading along with the Pheadon, since the issue of immortality comes in. Link (http://www.classicallibrary.org/plato/dialogues/10_meno.htm)

This one is the Jowett translation sad to say, he tried to make it as boring as possible, but I hope you get something out of it. Remember, you HAVE to go through the whole problem of doubling the square, don't skip it.

[Jane of Arc]

My dear, wonderful, pondering POL buddies,

Let me sort this out. FDR, haus & Lionhearted believe we are only biological entities and when we stop breathing ... that's it. That's cool. I respect that. Hell, it's what I believed on and off. I just believe something very different now after experiencing some STuFF. And what I'm discovering isn't always easy for me to grasp. I feel that Jennifer may know what I'm talking about; especially if she's aware of the Akashic Records.

And FDR allow me to clarify ... the mind is an extremely useful tool. When you are reliving Socrate's discovery of how to double the square you are using your mind and it's wonderful. I did not say that makes you insane.

I'll explain further, but this is not an easy thing to explain. Mostly because I'm using words, thoughts and my mind to communicate something one can only 'know' through experience. And on top of that, our entire world is based on the exact opposite of what I'm proposing. Occassionally amazing beings land on earth and attempt to raise our energy vibration (sorry for the 'new age' sounding words, but geesch). These AMaZiNG beings say amazing things, do amazing things, people follow them, start a religion and then continue to kill each other and act insane.

If you really want to know what I'm talking about ... here's the portal.

There is no future or past. They don't exist. They only exist in our collective minds. The ONLY thing that exists is the present moment.

I would ask anyone here to please travel into the future and report back OR pack your bags and head into the past. Only your mind can "imagine" such things, while your body stays put in the present moment. Reality is ONLY now. Always. And when you learn to stay in the present moment, live in awareness, use the power of the present moment ... AMaZiNG, great, wonderful things occur in your life. Quantum physics is on the case. What appears to be our solid body is actually made up of almost entirely nothing. We are empty space with a small quanity of radiant energy. And we're all plugged in, connected to this vast cosmic grid.

A friend of mine who's a quantum physicist at Princeton put it this way to me, "Energy is consciousness."

And here's the kicker ... I know none of you believe in the "soul" (which is this primordial energy that can't be created or destoyed), but you all have damn fine ones. :sunny:

[MAGI]

@ Haus :laughing:

@ Lion Well, I'm glad that for the time that you ARE here on earth, you spent some of it with us, spreading some of your common sense ideas, even if they aren't on the level with Socrates or such type.

Actually, come to think of it, after taking a look, I would include the Meno dialogue as required reading along with the Pheadon, since the issue of immortality comes in. Link (http://www.classicallibrary.org/plato/dialogues/10_meno.htm)

This one is the Jowett translation sad to say, he tried to make it as boring as possible, but I hope you get something out of it. Remember, you HAVE to go through the whole problem of doubling the square, don't skip it.
Aiiieee yii yi...............
I didn't plan to spend my time this AM contemplating Plato & Socrate's thoughts of virtue and, annnnnnnnnnd:

Meno

by Plato
translated by Benjamin Jowett

PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE:

MENO;
SOCRATES;
A SLAVE OF MENO;
ANYTUS.



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[Meno] Can you tell me, Socrates, whether virtue is acquired by teaching or by practice; or if neither by teaching nor practice, then whether it comes to man by nature, or in what other way?

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If I could change one word in the last paragraph, it would be God to goodness, by Libra................. ;)

[Soc.] Then, Meno, the conclusion is that virtue comes to the virtuous by the gift of God. But we shall never know the certain truth until, before asking how virtue is given, we enquire into the actual nature of virtue. I fear that I must go away, but do you, now that you are persuaded yourself, persuade our friend Anytus. And do not let him be so exasperated; if you can conciliate him, you will have done good service to the Athenian people.

-THE END-

Anyhoo, life demands I get off my petutie and on with the demands of the day (or I'll have a unhappy husband with which to deal).....
:D

Thanks for today's lesson FDR
Rules don't allow me a thumb up sign, but know it's here, smile.........., emotion.......

[Jane of Arc]

Here's some quantum physicist's work on consciousness. Love this stuff.

Princeton's Global Consciousness Project:
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

Holographic Brain Theory:
http://www.acsa2000.net/bcngroup/jponkp/#chap2

Quantum Consciousness:
http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/QuanCon2.html#clifford

[Jennifer_SFBA]

I highly suspect the electric grid that powers our our world has a negative effect on our world's bio systems. That needs to be researched, but vested corporate interests oppose such research.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Do people have one soul, or a multiplicity of substance who we call soul existing in various dimensional states, bodies and places all at the same time? During his near death experience, world renound remote viewer, Joseph McMoneagle, reported seeing his "oversoul" in the life hereafter; larger and brighter, immensely more loving and wise than the one soul he had perceived himself to be till then, who had just recently arrived and who he knew to have originated from his physical body. He says his greatest, most compelling desire at his meeting of his oversoul was to merge, to become one and whole and to remain eternally in that state.

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:xVWrKIPYBE0J:www.forteantimes.com/happened/doppleganger.shtml+doppleganger&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa111102a.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelg%C3%A4nger

[Jennifer_SFBA]

How is "virtue" connected to soul? All souls have frequency and vibration and attraction or repulsion of same or literal invisibility, one to another. During an escorted Out of Body event lead by a dimensional being, Robert Monroe encountered a slithing, entwined pile of human soul bodies. Robert reached in and pulled one out in hopes of some meaningful communication. The soul body he held only writhed and struggled mightily to get back into that mire of total sexual, ecstatic energy in which it was consumed. From there, Robert Monroe was escorted on to other explorations of interdimensional rooms, worlds and experiences.

An interdimensional being once communicated to Robert that "they" desired to meet and know many more human beings in our Out of the Body state.

[Jane of Arc]

Jennifer,

Are you familiar with Eckhart Tolle? If not, you will be doing yourself an ENORMOUS favor by getting his books and his CD's. I will recommend some if you want. Everybody I know who experiences the teachings of this person ... well ... their life gets better fast. I kid you not. He is one of the masters to the new consciousness that's taking place on Earth. And you, Jennifer, are part of this transformation.

:sunny:

The soul is virtue is compassion is love is truth is energy of the source. The 'out of body' experience is no different in substance than the 'in body' experience. If I wanted to find an orgy ... I have no doubt that I could. If I wanted to spend all of my time wallowing in sex ... I could do it. But, that would be the actions of a person who is tormented by never getting enough ... enough sex ... enough money ... enough food ... enough shopping ... enough alcohol ... enough violence ... enough pain ... enough heroine ... I could go on & on. Addictions occur when the ego/ mind is in total control. It has nothing to do with the soul. The soul wisely, patiently sits by and allows the lessons to be learned until the pain is so acute that the ego gives up and surrenders. These lessons of life on Planet Earth teach us to become actualizing, creative beings.

That is just this punks opinion. ;)

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Hi, Jane. It really does involve the soul. The soul body and the physical body are interconnected. The vibes of one affect the other. A lifetime of that that is not virtuous, may change/imprint the soul vibration leading to what Robert Monroe discribed for those after death souls that he interacted with.

I have a finely attuned soul body and physical body interconnection. That is how I am able to heal and communicate with life that is plant life. All Earth life consists of vibrating subtle energies. An analogy is a very good radio being one that is able to be finely tuned in order to be able to translate more subtle signals into understandable communication.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

What else besides spending time in the library, taking classes and looking in on and sometimes watching over people who they knew in physical life after souls' crossing? Souls who experienced great trauma in physical life spend time in other dimensional places that have frequencies and vibrations that will facilitate healing and restoration. Souls travel to other physical and dimensional worlds and experience all the life and color that there is there to observe and learn about; past, present and future, by tuning into and literally feeling the pulse and the rhythm, harmonies and disharmonies, and "riding" vibrations of consciousness and mass consciousness. In some states of beingness and with some beings, they fully connect and may interact. Souls who cross over meet up with other souls with whom they had other past lives as well as souls from the life just past, some who they knew, some who they did not meet and some who were, in fact, others of ones' selves who, all togther in unity, are the oversoul. Souls who cross over meet beings who are master teachers and field guides who do not incarnate or never have done so.

Earth consciousness is dense. The pulse energy of Earth feels bumpy and churning. Events such as the one at the link below help Earth consciousness to lighten and harmonize:

http://www.fairycongress.com/fc2007/2007_presenters.htm

There are many many other ways to do that as well:

http://www.eckharttolle.com/store/

or Transcendantal Meditation http://www.tm.org/ ...

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Do souls experience emotion? Is there anything like the experience of sex in the afterlife? The soul is a major part of the physical human body matrix, resonating within the human body transmitting, receiving and translating subtle energies. In the out of body state, souls experience emotions much more intensely than do souls in the soul and physical human body matrix on the Earth plane, incarnate. The act of embracing in the out of body state, the soul state, is much more intense than the experience of sex on the Earth plane, incarnate, describable as electric.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Some people, shortly before they "die," have been observed by bedside visitors gesticulating and talking to unseen "persons." Some of them have said or asked about a person who they know who had passed over, "Uncle Harry is here. Do you see uncle Harry?"

After a human body dies, there is a tunnel of light that lingers only for a few Earth days. If the soul body does not go to and through the light and light tunnel, the soul may be trapped in Earth's dimensional plane, albeit at a slightly higher frequency than the frequency at which live human bodies exist on this plane. Some psychic mediums who encounter trapped souls tell them to go to a mortuary where the light tunnel is open for people who have recently died so that they are able to go to the light.

During some of Robert Monroe's out of the body experiences, he reported meeting trapped souls who did not know they were dead. In those cases, he informed them of that fact and used persuasion to try to get them to go to the light. Some did go to the light when it was present as he watched, while others did not.

A medium reported that she had come across a whole family of ghosts while investigating a haunted house. It turned out the man had murdered his entire family and was afraid to go to the light for fear of what might be awaiting him on the other side, so was holding his family hostage there. The medium attempted to get the man to release the other family members, but then the man said he was afraid of being alone.

The forgoing shows souls' reasoning abilities and that concerns exist for souls in the after life state of being.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Souls who did not realize they had pysically died where ones who had died suddenly.

In her childhood, during trauma based mind control, Cathy O'Brian was put into a refridgerator, door tightly closed, pitch black and left there for many hours. As she began to lose consciousness, she reported seeing an angelic being streaming an energy beam into her body that she says helped sustain her.

[FDRfollower]

I highly suspect the electric grid that powers our our world has a negative effect on our world's bio systems. That needs to be researched, but vested corporate interests oppose such research.

For your benefit.

An Introduction to Radiation Hormesis LINK (http://www.angelfire.com/mo/radioadaptive/inthorm.html)

[FDRfollower]

There is no future or past. They don't exist. They only exist in our collective minds. The ONLY thing that exists is the present moment.

I would ask anyone here to please travel into the future and report back OR pack your bags and head into the past. Only your mind can "imagine" such things, while your body stays put in the present moment. Reality is ONLY now. damn fine ones. :sunny:

I would argue the opposite. Much as a planets orbit is determined by its intention (yes, the planets all have intentions), your "present" is shaped by both the future and past. Interesting duality, no?

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Hi, FDRfollower. The electric grid/bio-systems concerns I have relate to the 60HZ EMF. Associated with that is home and business internal wiring, equipment and appliance motors and transformer EMF sources. There is also the question of how the electric grid in total, worldwide, may have effected and be affecting Earth's bio systems. Some limited research has been done, but I'm talking here about a whole world EMF assessment for AC and DC. I'd like to know the optimum frequency range for bio systems communications and health, for example, and how that might be facilitated.

We have cellular telephones, radios, televison sets, computers, etc., all with different frequencies. As a whole, what effect might all that be having on bio-systems? I'd like to know.

[FDRfollower]

Its all radiation. Compared to Cosmic radiation, and what naturally comes out of the ground, or even what you produce within your own bodily functions, its probably a drop in the bucket.

[Jane of Arc]

I would argue the opposite. Much as a planets orbit is determined by its intention (yes, the planets all have intentions), your "present" is shaped by both the future and past. Interesting duality, no?

This is a hard concept to grasp. It's taken me 2 years. We live in a world based on the existence of time, but time it's a mental construct, not a reality. I'm grooving on quantum physics these days. (Yes, I'm reconstituting the word "groovy".)

Just because things are in motion like the planets and the cells of our bodies means they are changing. To think that it's a linear time progression is just one option: Point A to Point B. It could be Point A to Point J to Point X, etc. Or Point A to Point A. The only reality is there is only the present moment. Always.

Could you get into your car and travel into the past or future?

Hypothetically, if you got into a machine that traveled faster than the speed of light you could go into the 'future' or would you really be in a new present moment in a different dimension?

If you get there FDR, let me know! :D

[Jennifer_SFBA]

FDRfollower, I'd look into the natural EMF properties of photosynthesis, DC rather than AC, "A" rather than "B" gravity waves and zero point energy field relationship(s). I'd compare that with present 50 and 60 HZ AC EMF systems and measure the effects on biological systems. To do that, all I need is to win the lottery, and I did buy my tickets. Good luck!

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Instead of doing that as a part of a culture of life, the United States' government's administration is doing the opposite as a further investment in our culture of death, though, there really is life after death as we are dicussing in this thread:



March 5th, 2007 1:20 am
Govt. picks design for nuclear warhead

By H. Josef Hebert / Associated Press

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration took a major step Friday toward building a new generation of nuclear warheads, selecting a design that is being touted as safer, more secure and more easily maintained than today's arsenal.

A team of scientists from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory will proceed with the weapons design with an anticipation that the first warheads may be ready by 2012 as a replacement for Trident missiles on submarines.

The new weapons program, which has received cautious support from Congress, was immediately criticized by some nuclear nonproliferation groups as evidence the government wants to expand nuclear weapons production — not move toward eliminating the stockpile.

Critics also maintain that it sends the wrong signal around the world by pushing a new warhead — although characterized as a replacement for existing ones - at a time the United States is trying to curtail nuclear weapons development in North Korea and Iran.

Some lawmakers agreed.

"The minute you begin to put more sophisticated warheads on the existing fleet, you are essentially creating a new nuclear weapon. And it's just a matter of time before other nation's do the same," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. "This could serve to encourage the very proliferation we are trying to prevent."

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Continued:



Rep. Ellen Tauscher (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., chair of the House Armed Services strategic forces subcommittee, expressed cautious support, but promised "a long evaluation process" in Congress to assure the warhead will do what is promised without future underground testing.

Nuclear underground tests have not been done since a ban in 1992.

"This is not about starting a new nuclear arms race," countered Thomas P. D'Agostino, acting head of the DOE's National Nuclear Security Administration, which oversees the nuclear weapons programs.

Steve Henry, deputy assistant to the secretary of defense for nuclear matters, said the new design is hoped to lead to fewer warheads being needed. He said it has not changed administration determination to reduce the number of deployed warheads to fewer than 2,000 — the lowest number since the 1950s.

There are believed to be about 6,000 warheads deployed and another 4,000 in reserve.

D'Agostino, briefing reporter on the design decision, said the intent is to develop a safer, more secure warhead to assure increased reliability without the need for underground nuclear tests.

He cautioned that the program remains in the early stages and that in coming months the Livermore team will expand on its design work to give a better estimate on overall costs, the scope of the program and a schedule toward full-scale engineering and production.

The administration is asking for $119 million for the next fiscal year for design work. The officials said they could not say how much the program eventually will cost.

The so-called "reliable replacement warhead" has been the focus of a yearlong, intense design competition between Livermore in California and nuclear scientists at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico — the government's two premier nuclear weapons labs.

Both of the labs developed proposals and at one point there was discussion to combine the designs into a single program. But that was rejected and D'Agostino made clear Friday the program would be Livermore's to develop.

The Livermore design was based on an existing warhead that reportedly had been exploded in an underground test in the 1980s, although never actually put into the stockpile. The Los Alamos design was based on a totally fresh approach but without a history of actual testing.

It was this "very robust test pedigree" — as D'Agostino put it — that gave Livermore the upper hand.

"It ... gave us the confidence ... to certify and go forward without underground testing," he said, adding that without that assurance "we were not going to go forward."

Congress authorized design work on the new warhead in 2005, but with a stipulation that its primary goal be to assure the reliability of the nuclear arsenal without resumption of bomb testing, and that it will help in the consolidation of the Energy Department's nuclear weapons complex.

Some lawmakers have also questioned whether the new warhead is needed, especially in light of a recent finding that the plutonium in the current warheads will last nearly 100 years, twice as long as previously thought.

Some nuclear weapons critics warned the warhead could lead to an increased likelihood of future testing, calling it a ploy to rebuild — not dismantle — the nuclear weapons infrastructure.

"This is a first installment on a plan to develop and produce warheads on an ongoing cyclical basis ... similar to what we had during the Cold War," said Lisbeth Gronlund, a scientist at the Union of Concerned Scientists, a nuclear nonproliferation advocacy group.

John Isaacs, executive director of the Center for Arms Control and Nonproliferation, said there's no need for a new warhead when "the U.S. nuclear stockpile, based on 50 years of research and over 1,000 underground nuclear tests, has been confirmed safe and reliable for at least another half-century."

"The bottom line is we're returning to what we used to do in the Cold War years. That's the message to the world," said Hans Kristensen, director of the nuclear information project of the Federation of American Scientists.

Associated Press writer Scott Lindlaw in San Francisco contributed to this story.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

What are souls capable of doing on the Earth plane? There have been reports of a "person" appearing out of nowhere to provide assistance in accident or dangerous situations. In one case, a "person" out of nowhere appeared as a nurse to an automobile accident victim and applied pressure to a serious head injury to control bleeding. After some time, a human being came along and received instructions from that "person" to continue holding pressure because an artery was involved and without it, the accident victim would die. Then, "she" disappeared, but left a black medical bag at the scene.

In another case, a mother and daughter were in an automobile accident where the mother died and the daughter remained physically alive. At night, their vehicle had run off a rural road down a cliff and into a forested area. Some visitors driving through the area saw a woman lying on the shoulder of the road. They did not stop, but called the police to report what they'd seen when they got to a town that was a few miles further down the road. To the police, they discribed some details about the woman and what she was wearing. When the police went to the site of the accident to investigate, they saw evidence from the road that a car had gone off the road down the cliff, and when they reached the crushed car, details of what they had been told about the woman were verified, but the way the woman was situated in the car made it clear that she would not have been able to get out of the car even if she had survived the crash that they didn't believe had happened.

A woman walking alone in a neighborhood with which she was unfamiliar felt danger. Several young men were in the area. The woman asked her angels for protection. She reported that she walked past as if she were completely invisible to them.

A woman whose husband had recently passed over, saw her husband in the home they had shared for many years. He had appeared to her to tell her that he wanted her to knock down a wall in the house. She did, and there she found many thousands of dollars within the wall space.

[FDRfollower]

Check this out.

Waves Forest (http://www.stopcancer.com/aids&cancer01.htm)

I got a couple of his "Now What" issues a few years back, that had a couple of articles on how to use electric currents to spur plant growth. If you want to do the experiment yourself, that would be in your best interest to see if what you are hypothesizing is correct or not. If you can't get it from him, I can photocopy you an issue.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Thank you, FDRfollower. That would be fascinating reading. I'll try to get it from him. The material on oxygenation at the link you posted is interesting. Fairly long term oxygenation in a hyperbolic chamber for heart attack patients has proven effective and the serious decrease in atmospheric oxygen levels is slowly being established.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

It's a hyperbaric chamber, not hyperbolic as in NASA, for deep tissue oxygen saturation.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

.~*@WHo ARe YoU & WHaT HaPPeNS WHeN YoU ARe BoRN?@*~. is another part of the equation. When does the soul body unite with the physical body? The soul body unites with physical body once the physical body's electromagnetic, DNA matrix has been fully formed and established and is functioning. It is not until the soul body incarnates that the electromagnetic auric field that extends beyond the physical body completes that electromagnetic matrix. Therefore, that is the point where new human life begins, not at conception.

Where in a new human baby's body does an incarnating soul enter? Incarnating souls enter through chakras, any one them. Most common is soul entry through the crown chakra that is usually the first exposed, head down, with the head crown usually the first to exit the womb in the birth process. Souls incarnating may "practice" for some several weeks, six or so, before birth entering the new human body through the crown chakra, partially entering and pulling out again, kind of like trying on a new suit of clothes for fit and comfort.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

There are souls who are walk-ins. Souls may go out of body, and while out of body it may be agreed and arranged for souls to literally swap bodies sometime during a person's lifetime, or for a soul to leave physical life on Earth entirely by permitting another soul to enter the body it had been inhabiting to live out the rest of that body's life somewhere on Earth. Soul body/physical body exchanges are called walk-ins. Two souls may want to experience life in another culture, say from America to Iceland and from Iceland to America and so may become walk-ins for that purpose. Changes in a person who is a walk-in may be quite pronounced to people who that person knew before the soul exchange occured, but often the changes are subtle as the physical brain and nervous system retain the memories necessary for the walk-in soul to carry on in physical life. Characteristics of the physical body of walk-ins may change in response to the new soul/body matrix. Some physical changes may be pronounced and some may be subtle in the same body, or pronounced in one body and subtle in another. Examples may be weight loss or gain, birthmarks, different skin texture and coloration, expressions, etc.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

There is soul/body and/or physical body alone possession. Through satanic practices or when the soul/body matrix is weaked by drug and/or alcohol abuse, the born soul may be possessed within the body by being forced to share the same body with entities with other frequencies and vibrations, or eletromagnetic energies. When that occurs, the resonate frequency of the original soul/body matix is changed and the frequency and vibration of the orginal born soul may also be changed. The born soul may be permitted to leave or may escape the body at the time of body possession. Multiple entities many possess the same body with or without the original born soul existant within the body. When the auric field of the soul/body matix of a person is weak, or down, entities may attach to one or more chakras and, thereby, seriously influence the behavior of the person.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

In cases of possession, what is taken over is a person's will. That happens when a person "gives" their will over, which is done in exchange for something the person desires, but without full knowledge and awareness of the consequences and the true price there is for the soul to pay and that will surely be exacted. David Berkowitz, the Son of Sam serial killer in New York, asked to see and admitted to Father Malachi Martin, a practicing Catholic exorcist, that he had joined a Satanic cult and was possessed.

Yesterday I heard a very interesting comment by a caller on talk radio about how reincarnation on Earth can be avoided. The caller said that by doing meditation as a person is dying, reincarnation back to Earth is able to be overcome because it is the thoughts about Earth life during the death process that attracts the person back, frequency and vibration, vision and intent. That does sound right to me.

[-V-]

I confess that this is my first peek into this thread. Not because I haven't got anything to say on the topic. It is because I have to much too say on this topic and too little time to say it, except for sharing some thoughts from others of whose names I do not know:

"the real you,
water cannot wet
and fire cannot burn
you are eternal
you are unborn
and undying"

"my death is my wedding with eternity"

"when we die we plunge into the vast ocean of consciousness and do not think that the drop alone becomes the ocean - the ocean too becomes the drop"

In the movie "Phenomenon" moments after a man's wife dies he asks the enlightened one where she went to? He answers, "everywhere".

p.s.
when I retire, I'll spend a few months in this thread

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Hahahaha ... That gives me a real happy laugh, -V-. , Please do, but don't make it so long before you do, though, I hope and pray, because it's so important!

[-V-]

OK, while I'm here, I'll take a brief crack at it, and as a bonus, I'll answer the formerly unanswerable question: What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Examples in nature and our own human bodies are proof of physical evolution.
Examples on this forum are proof that there is intellectual evolution.
And though it can't be measured by human means, I believe life and death are part of spiritual evolution.

To ask why we are required to play out this cycle is akin to asking why the caterpillar must first be a caterpillar before being able to take flight as a butterfly.

Like seeds and children, we are familiar with things growing from small to large, and from darkness to light, like a sunrise. Why then shouldn't our spirits follow that pattern?

In regards to chickens, first there is the source, then the seed, then the egg, then the chicken (in that order). But it doesn't stop there. The chicken, and all of us, are encased in another shell that we must chip away at until our spirits are free...

or, as the movie "Groundhogs Day" would have it, until the radio stops playing
"I Got You Babe"

I don't know about any of you, but in a few hours I'm going to wake up to
"I Got You Babe"

... but I'm working on it.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

I have been thinking more about near death experiences that had been reported by people who have had one or more near death experiences and out-of-the-body experiences. I see a difference between them. Out-of-the-body experiences are much more muted and less intense experiences than near death ones. That makes me think that it is not the soul that travels out-of-body, but an energy body extension, like the aura, perhaps that is an aural shell image/imager of the soul capable of seeing, feeling, creating, interacting and remembering. Hmm. I think that's a pretty darn interesting idea.

[Mr. Anderson]

I have nothing to add to this thread. I don't go as deep as I should, but I'm still young. I hope to head in your direction Jennifer and I have to say I really respect your quest! I'll keep reading what you post. :)

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Ty, Mr. Anderson. It's a joy to me when people explore beyond the known, pushing the boundaries until one day, there are no boundaries, just the bliss. Lanky 6foot 2 inch tall Terence McKenna was one of my favorite people, and did he ever have alot to say eloquently that's worth the time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna

At the link below, scroll down to the free 6 minute + "Terence McKenna: 2012 Timewave Zero" video.

http://2012eschaton.com/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=10

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=terence+mckenna&hl=en

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Oh, goody! I found a site with a few more precious Terence McKenna media sites listed on it!

http://bluehoney.org/bluehoney/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=18&MMN_position=33:29

[Michael DeM]

I've been meaning to post in this thread for a while now; I just never got around to it. My own beliefs as to what happens when we die have changed over the years. I used to be an evangelical Christian, and I just kind of went along with the old idea of heaven and hell. Then somewhere along the line, I think about a year and a half ago, I started questioning the Bible and organized religion in general. Since then, I've taken more of an interest in New Age and Eastern philosophies. Last year, I read a little from books written by Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra, and Shakti Gawain. It's good stuff. You know, a lot of people tend to look down on New Age thought as being sort of weird, but I think ideas like meditation and reincarnation some of the most realistic things out there.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Michael DeM, thank you for sharing your experience. I look forward to hearing you more in depth.

There is a door held open by Angels. Welcome.

[-V-]

MD, the path you describe is shared by many, including myself -- eventually breaking away from the man-made religion of our parents and connecting with a purer understanding of our own spirituality with the help of independent voices.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Today I found the link and text below that is reportedly a channeling from extraterrestial, Ashtar Command survailing Earth due Earth's nuclear capabilities. A portion of the information that was reported is relevant in this thread, so I am posting it.

http://www.alienshift.com/id139.html

Excerpt from Ashtar Teleconference 1-24-2006

Ashtar: "Well my dear lady, we were discussing those who give up
their human bodies, as moving along to the places that you have such
lovely names for, such as Nirvana and Heaven. They are those who do
not want to go through the Ascension process. They are without any
kind of a physical body. And this is their choice.

"And they have missions, and they will, all of them, at some time,
well really there's no time that we're speaking of, but what we're
talking about is making these transitions, and leaving those human
bodies behind them, because they do not care to go through the
Ascension process.

"Now those are the souls that are leaving the bodies, and they're
going to the places you call Heaven and Nirvana and so on. Those who
choose to keep their bodies with them, even though they are going to
undergo splendifferous changes, are those who will be participants in
what we call the Ascension. And that is quite different, because you
see the bodies will go with them, in different forms. You will be
literally ascending into Light body status.

"Why do that? Well to assist the entire planet in the process of
moving up into higher dimensions of being. You see, nothing can exist
in those higher dimensions except Love, and that is the purpose of
ascension, it is to return to Love. It is to return to a state of
being that is blissful and connected, where the wisdom is apparent to
all, where the knowledge is awakened within each one, where there are
new experiences to enjoy. Some will say the world has become a kind
and compassionate place, where everyone is valued, where everyone is
Light, where there is harmony and joy. And there are some fun times,
too; like you will be instantly able to manifest whatever it is that
you choose to manifest, whether it's an apple, or a little time on the
sandy beaches, or whatever it is that you desire to do, and you're
taking your Light body with you!

"Now there are other technical explanations of this, but it is simply
that everyone has the choice, and there are a great number who are
choosing not to experience the process, but simply just going back to
their spirit selves, where they can immediately embark upon another
earth mission where they can undergo Ascension. Some are going to do
so, and they will continue in the mission that they are currently on,
which is to facilitate Ascension for the entire planet, and to then
teach, and heal, and perform service as the planet goes through this
process."