[cat's meow]

Governor Kaine Issues Executive Order Expanding Background Checks for Gun Purchases
– Database to include involuntary outpatient mental health treatment – (http://www.governor.virginia.gov/MediaRelations/NewsReleases/viewRelease.cfm?id=399)

This is the right thing to do and I am very sorry it took over 30 deaths to close such a simple thing as a loop hole because of the moneyed pressure coming from the NRA.
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[Jumpin Jupiter]

Governor Kaine Issues Executive Order Expanding Background Checks for Gun Purchases
– Database to include involuntary outpatient mental health treatment – (http://www.governor.virginia.gov/MediaRelations/NewsReleases/viewRelease.cfm?id=399)

This is the right thing to do and I am very sorry it took over 30 deaths to close such a simple thing as a loop hole because of the moneyed pressure coming from the NRA.
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Is the NRA against this? I didnt see anything in your posted article about the NRA, or did I miss something here?

[cat's meow]

...and lets do a little investigation and look at some stuff:

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There are 28 other states that fail to report mental illness. In fact, more than half the states don't report any mental health records at all to the federal database that gun dealers use to check a buyer's background. The states are lax about it, because the Supreme Court ruled 10 years ago that reporting that information is voluntary for them. Congress is now considering a bill to give states more money to improve the records — and reduce money from other federal programs if they don't. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18277147/)

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Many U.S. states do not send mental health records to gun check database (http://news.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/04-25-2007/dc4800269e7d04ac.html)
Right to privacy, the NRA support, and keeping arms out of the hands of psychos:
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NRA-ILA :: Legislation (http://www.nraila.org//Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?ID=100)

NRA-ILA :: Legislation (http://www.nraila.org//Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=1918)

PRO-GUN BILLS MAKE WAY TO HOUSE FLOOR!

The House of Representatives may act as early as next week on critical pro-Second Amendment reform bills. These bills need your support today:

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H.R. 5092--the “Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) Modernization and Reform Act of 2006,” by Reps. Howard Coble (R-N.C.) and Bobby Scott (D-Va.) -- will curb the agency’s efforts to revoke dealers’ licenses for minor paperwork errors, improve the appeals process for dealers, and, establish new guidelines for BATFE investigations. This bill was drafted in large part to address recent, blatant BATFE abuses at Richmond, Virginia gun shows highlighted in hearings before the U.S. House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security. (See next story on Brady Center’s blatant misrepresentation of this bill.) (http://www.nraila.org/GrassrootsAlerts/Read.aspx?ID=357)
The NRA runs the other way if anything in support of mentally ill people having guns...

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“Our position on this is crystal clear: If you are adjudicated by a court to be mentally defective, suicidal, a danger to yourself or to others, you should be prohibited from buying a firearm,” said LaPierre, who oversees the powerful gun lobby’s political operations. “The federal law is pretty clear on this. He [Cho] should have been in the [FBI] data base.” (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18298126/)

If their position is 'very clear' then why did they not lobby hard for each state to close these loopholes that would help register mental incompetent people with the FBI data base? I do not see that anywhere, they have not used their resources for that purpose. Would that not help the NRA's position in the long run? The NRA obviously did not put a hell of a lot of energy into dealing with this on a state to state basis and allowed these loopholes to sit there. In the short term it is a tactic to erode the gun control position and do the "told you so" in the end. Now 30+ people are dead because of something so simple which the NRA was in the prime position to help with; there is no other lobbying group even close to the equal of the NRA in terms of money and power. I don't see how they help themselves when this happens; it takes numerous people getting killed for the NRA to actually do something which is more logical...

But, NO gun restrictions, an all or nothing tact is what the NRA has been defending when going into court…and we get 30+ dead because Cho was allowed to buy guns. The NRA needed to put their money where their mouth is; LaPierre is basically full of it.

[Thelonious]

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This is the right thing to do and I am very sorry it took over 30 deaths to close such a simple thing as a loop hole ....

30 deaths ?!?!?!?!?!?!

30 deaths ?!?!?!?!?!?!

30 deaths ?!?!?!?!?!?!

Are you Nuts ?!?!?!?!?!?! A realistic number is in the hundreds of thousands.

Since JFK was inaugurated more Americans have been killed by other Americans with guns inside the US than were killed in WWI, WWII, The Korean War, and the Vietnam War combined. (I could throw in a few other conflicts and 9/11 too and handgun murder still tops the list as terror item numero uno) The blood on the streets has been flowing like mad for years, and NOBODY has taken any serious steps to stop it.

(It's a really good thing that Jumping Jupiter is trained in the use of firearms and is protecting us sooooo well.)

[Thelonious]

BTW did you hear that the Federal Government is now considering preventing folks on the Terrorism Watch List, from legally buying weapons??? If Osama bin Ladin walked into a gun shop in Virginia today, he could Legally buy an AR-15 assault rifle. Not bad, eh? 5 years after 9/11.

[cat's meow]

BTW did you hear that the Federal Government is now considering preventing folks on the Terrorism Watch List, from legally buying weapons??? If Osama bin Ladin walked into a gun shop in Virginia today, he could Legally buy an AR-15 assault rifle. Not bad, eh? 5 years after 9/11.
Thank this administration and the NRA...

[Thelonious]

The town I live in has proposed an ordinance to require all resident dogs to have a liscence and a tag on their collars with the liscence number. The local Dog Owners Association has started picketing and raising money and now they're going door to door telling everybody that the mayor wants to take away their dogs. Now there are rumours everywhere that the gay liberal agenda wants to create a dog-free town. The mayor is under enormous pressure to withdraw the proposal.

Sound ridiculous? Sound familiar?

[Wafflepudding]

And to that end I propose a new ammendment:

A good dog being man's best friend, the right of the people to keep and train dogs, shall not be infringed :p

If all the gun control lobby wanted to do is close loopholes and extend background checks, gun control would hardly be an issue. Many people in favor of gun control are also in favor of not allowing civilians to own firearms altogether, or determining what kind of small arms are accessible to them.

The NRA is like any other lobby group, they look out for themselves and ignore the rest of society. The brady people had the chance to make a difference, they could have gotten a piece of legislation that closed the loopholes, extended background checks maybe even closed gun shows. So what do they do? they pushed for a stupid piece of useless regulation about magazine sizes, handguards, pistol grips, flash suppresors and bayonet lugs (after all everyone knows that the most dangerous part of an assault rifle is the bayonet).

They are all lobbysts, they're all political, and no politician has our best interests in mind. What they want is the spotlight and the power and money that comes with it.

[Jumpin Jupiter]

30 deaths ?!?!?!?!?!?!



(It's a really good thing that Jumping Jupiter is trained in the use of firearms and is protecting us sooooo well.)

Youre welcome !:p