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Wafflepudding
05/18/07, 02:29 am
While the second ammendment is usually considered a conservative cause, I happen to know quite a few anarchists, democrats, libertarians and others that support it, even those who do not own firearms personally. Some of the arguments that I've heard from them (I do not agree with some of these but I think they're worth mentioning anyway):

- A government with a monopoly on the use of deadly force is potentially dangerous. Especially OUR government.

- It is an extension of the basic human right to self-defense.

- The militia, referring to common armed citizens, was part of the checks and balances system. Eroding it is therefore fundamentally counterproductive to the system.

- Your personal safety is in your hands alone, delegating this responsability to others is unsound, partly because of the bystander effect (a few have mentioned the Kitty Genovese case).

- Concealed carry makes muggings more risky for criminals, thereby acting as a deterrent.

- It's the only difference between the moderate, hidden fascism of Dubya and open repression.

- Iraq has showed us that our army is not invincible and that an armed populace is a populace hard to occupy and conquer.

- By banning firearms instead of taking the mistique out of them for the young, we're increasing their allure (the forbidden fruit effect).

Certainly we must not echo the usual nonsense advocated by the NRA, or their opposite twins the Brady people, but some compromise points, like gun safety courses, better (not prohibitive) gun controls, more extensive background checks, etc. are worth some serious thought and discussion IMO.

KRITER
10/30/08, 11:54 am
Im no republican.I do beleev in the 2nd amendment.I dont beleev that bs about Obama taking my guns.I heard the same about Clinton.I still hav a shot gun,and a single shot 22 rifle handed down from my Greatgrandaddy.Im a backwoods vegan.I dont hunt.Im not scared enuff to cary a gun wen Im off my property.But Iv come to hav use of my shot gun a few times, not much.Had to shoot a rabin polcat, didnt like doing it but I felt my critters was thretened.And theres no help for critters having rabies.I scared off a few hunters too.Apairently they not use to wildlife being armed.

Jennifer_SFBA
10/30/08, 01:23 pm
Now those are a few responsible uses of firearms, Kriter, so long as you didn't shoot at, or toward the hunters!

KRITER
11/04/08, 05:17 am
No,didnt shoot at no hunters.Shot gun empty.They just take me alot more serius .Its kind of silly.

jr2007sc
11/07/08, 08:56 am
Kriter,

You don't believe that Obama will try to take our guns? The Jews in 1930s Germany didn't believe Hitler either before the cattle cars arrived. Do you know what he did first? He passed a law making it illegal for Jews to own weapons.

I'm not comparing Obama to Hitler. But the 2nd Ammendmant is the ONLY thing that makes our other rights possible. Believe that. And Obama has made it crystal clear that he will fight to restrict the ownership of firearms.

-V-
11/07/08, 10:09 am
Kriter,

You don't believe that Obama will try to take our guns? The Jews in 1930s Germany didn't believe Hitler either before the cattle cars arrived. Do you know what he did first? He passed a law making it illegal for Jews to own weapons.

I'm not comparing Obama to Hitler. But the 2nd Ammendmant is the ONLY thing that makes our other rights possible. Believe that. And Obama has made it crystal clear that he will fight to restrict the ownership of firearms.

jr, don't play dumb or the Hitler card. You know Obama, like the vast majority of liberals, would only seek to outlaw certain weapons. Conservatives already except that, in the sense that you don't complain that it is illegal for you to own a bazooka. Trust me. You'll always be capable of putting a bullet between the eyes of a burgler or a raging liberal if you feel you need to.

Gun restrictions will not lead to the demise of guns, just as Gay marriage will not lead to the demise of children.

You are displaying typical, fearful, right-wing paranoia.

If the religious right was pushing to raise the age of consent by 1 year you might disagree but you wouldn't theorize that their next move is to call for chastity belts.