~ Third Dimensional Beings ~ [Archive]

Jennifer_SFBA

06/02/07, 08:55 pm

Jane, I pasted and highlighted portions of Richard Hoagland's work that are relevelant to physical matter, mass, that people presume IS THE reality of 3RD dimensional beingness. Mass exists, but is illusory and not what people presume it is. Hal Puthof, Ph.D, Physics who was scientifically involved in the development of the Remote Viewing (psychic spy) protocols funded by the CIA for use by United States intelligence services says the following about mass:

"... the concept of mass may be neither fundamental nor necessary in physics.”

Einstein’s famous formula (E = mc2) is not about the conversion of one fundamental thing, mass, into another fundamental thing, energy;

but rather

“a statement about how much energy is required to give the appearance of a certain amount of mass.”

If so, then,

“there is no such thing as mass; only electric charge and energy, which together create the illusion of mass” including the human eye and brain!

“The physical universe is made up of massless electric charges immersed in a vast, energetic, all-pervasive electromagnetic field. It is the interaction of those charges and the electromagnetic field that creates the appearance of mass.”

That means that the apparent weight of any object thought of as having mass, is nothing more than the interaction of electric charges and an electromagnetic field.

This is basically the same as in the concept of Superstrings, where string theory suggests that out of the the void there is formed infinitesimally small strings which wink in and out of existence, but which when focused together begin to make up the so-called mass of elementary particles.

“String theory” actually began with Pythagoras, whose philosophy centered around the power and harmony of numbers (the Pythagorean Theorem and Numerology) and that mystical tetrakyts, or foursomes, held the secret to our universe. Strings are where we most easily encounter the harmonies, or the ancient Greek notion of the "The Music of the Spheres" in celestial terms. Pythagoras’ theories have a lot of appeal, particularly in the manner in which the beauty of numbers correspond with the melodies and harmonies that are so pleasantly experienced by our human ears and minds of creation.

Modern Superstring theories are based on the generalized notion of a point particle that behaves like a string-like object.

In an analogy to a string of piano wire, the lowest note of the string corresponds to massless or very light particles, such as the photon, graviton, or electron; the harmonics or higher modes of the string correspond to the very massive particles which modify the theory at high energies in a way that cures the divergences which have plagued quantum theories of gravity in the past.

Superstrings also incorporate Supersymmetry, a theory which predicts that each particle is accompanied by a superparticle with similar properties, except that the spin must differ by one half unit. The superparticles are characteristically predicted to be heavier than ordinary particles.”

Superstrings, themselves, are theorized to have a length of 10-33 centimeters (Planc Length), while the tension in the string assumed to be as much as 1039 tons.

Supererstrings are really intense!

According to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, Zero-Point Energy, and other ideas in Connective Physics, it is possible that particles are winking in and out of existence in our universe all the time. Strings can theoretically twist and turn, spin and vibrate, tie and untie themselves, do the bossa nova and most any other thing the human mind can imagine.

According to relativistic restrictions, strings must be massless, with the ends of the strings moving at the speed of light. In order for the superstrings to represent particles that have mass, the strings would need to vibrate and rotate such that they generate a series of energy levels, just as a violin string has a series of notes. With Einstein’s E = mc2, these energy levels become the associated masses of the particles. But then, Mass is illusionary and does not exist at all except as a manifestation of electrical charge. Einstein’s equation is valid only to the extent the illusion of mass is valid as Hal Puthof suggests above. This idea is supported by people's reported experiences in the Out of the Body state where, when they embrace, they report experiencing an "electric intensity" much more intense and fulfilling than physical sex.

Jennifer_SFBA

06/02/07, 08:57 pm

Hyper-D physics hypothesizes that the basic laws of the three-dimensional world are united in four dimensional space, but merely "look different because of the resulting crumpled geometry of 3-D reality." This is a major break with Newtonian laws of "action at a distance ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion )." Instead it proposes that such "forces" are a "direct result of objects moving through 3-D space geometry... distorted by the intruding geometry of 4-D space." In essence, the laws of nature become simpler in higher dimensions because of the effect of geometric spatial distortions in the 3-D world.

The implications stemming from this model - the dynamic hyperspace foundations of reality - completely demolish our current view of reality. For, according to Hoagland's research, the "tail wags the dog." Hyper-D physics is the only model that can explain how the planets are completely capable of exerting a determinant influence on the Sun and on each other through their disproportionate ratio of total solar system angular momentum. Suffice to say, according to Hoagland, we are simply entering once again, after 13,000 years (which incidentally is equal to the Mayan "Baktun" cycle) "a phase of this recurring, grand solar system cycle of renewed hyperdimensional restructuring of reality." And, as Hoagland notes, this may even be due to the presence of a particularly enormous solar system body which has just recently come into view, thanks to the Hubble telescope.

As Hoagland notes, something strange is indeed happening in the solar system. One of the effects is that the official Cesium Atomic Clock has had to be adjusted by over 20 seconds in the last two decades; approximately a full second every six months. The official atomic clock is supposedly theoretically stable to plus or minus one second in a million years. To Hoagland, this suggests that a progressive phase-shift is occurring between the Earth's rotation and the atomic-level constants that govern the quantum standards of the atomic clock.

The growing difference between dynamic time and atomic time is compelling evidence of large scale changes in the hyperspatial physics of the solar system. It is possible, Hoagland explains, that hyperspatial stresses are due to the progressive orbital movement of as-yet undiscovered outer planets, which are causing increasing scalar potential changes across the entire solar system at the atomic level. The reason the clocks are changing, however, is because the Earth's rotation is changing. It is essentially slowing down due to changing phase relationships between undiscovered outer planets in the outer solar system! There can be no doubt that something is out there! And this something is quite capable of "making and remaking" the Earth, including seriously affecting the orbital rotation time of the planet.

A two and three dimension analogy might be a circuit board with which to do all sorts of clever things electronically. In a second dimensional (2D) world, there would be backward and forward and sideways, but no up or down. So, if a circuit boad did exist for flatlanders observing that circuit board in their 2D world, many of the wires would appear to connect and overlap, whereas, in reality (remember, there is no mass except for the very real physical illusion of the existance of mass) those wires that appear to connect and overlap in the 2D world do not connect and overlap because of the existance of an unseen 3RD dimensional world, up and down, that flatlanders do not see, but where the wires of the circuit board being observed in their 2D world actually do reside there in that unseen, unobserved 3RD dimension. From the two dimensional (2D)perspective, the third dimension (3D) might not even be recognized (EXCEPT by multi-dimnsional mind), but it is the existence of the 3RD dimension that creates the conditions, the up and down separation of the wires, under which the 2D circuit board performs, without which the circuit board would not work.

In String theory, space and Superstrings are fundamentally intertwined. The theory demands that strings create their own dynamic space-time, rather then simply being a part of an already existing continuum.

Twenty-two dimensions are accounted for in Superstring Theory by the idea of compactification. The idea there is to curl up dimensions into such a small radius, 10-33 centimeters or less, that they become invisible. Theories of Zero-Point Energy require an extra dimension or two to move energy intra-universally. So far, theoretical physicists say there may be anywhere from 10 to 26 dimensions, but is it all illusionarily real? Is it not our mind perceiving greater than our eye and brain to know? Of what mind is this? Awe and wonder. Awe and wonder ...

At the link below, scroll down to the free 6 minute + "Terence McKenna: 2012 Timewave Zero" video.

http://2012eschaton.com/modules/news...?storytopic=10

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...+mckenna&hl=en

Jennifer_SFBA

06/02/07, 09:17 pm

The Hero's Journey, WONDERFUL!

On Transformation:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8266970098384859572&q=The+Hero%27s+journey&hl=en

An overview:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8266970098384859572&q=The+Hero%27s+journey&hl=en

There were 6 parts to the series below. I found only 2 of the six free videos at Google Video

Part I

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6312400129079706710&q=The+Hero%27s+journey&hl=en

Part II

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3507614538091642471&q=The+Hero%27s+journey&hl=en

Jennifer_SFBA

06/02/07, 10:40 pm

So far, our discussion focuses on that universe in which we reside. There are other universes inclusive of parallel universes with parallel timelines to consider too that we in 3RD dimension with multidimensional minds are able to reach and explore.

Jennifer_SFBA

06/03/07, 04:30 am

I found the second Time Wave Zero link I posted above not working, so below I am posting the Google search link for Terrance McKenna Time Wave Zero (timewave zero, or timewave):

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=terrance+mckenna+time+wave+zero&btnG=Google+Search

Jennifer_SFBA

06/03/07, 04:58 am

I need to bring to awareness a scientifically unresolved question in Superstring theory:

In an analogy to a string of piano wire, the lowest note of the string corresponds to massless or very light particles, such as the photon, graviton, or electron; the harmonics or higher modes of the string correspond to the very massive particles which modify the theory at high energies in a way that cures the divergences which have plagued quantum theories of gravity in the past.

QUESTION: Superstring theory requires gravitons as well as ALL the other point particles to be a part of the electomagnetic spectrum for Superstring theory to hold. However, gravitons appear to behave independantly from the electromagnetic spectrum. But then, gravity has always been a scientific bugaboo. The universe we inhabit is stanger than we yet know, but mind is able to know, so, "Seek and ye shall find. Knock and the door shall be opened unto you." We are gods that we don't yet acknowledge.

This is what the thinking is:

... the harmonics or higher modes of the string correspond to the very massive particles which modify the theory at high energies in a way that cures the divergences which have plagued quantum theories of gravity in the past.

There is this too:

According to relativistic restrictions, strings must be massless, with the ends of the strings moving at the speed of light. In order for the superstrings to represent particles that have mass, the strings would need to vibrate and rotate such that they generate a series of energy levels, just as a violin string has a series of notes. With Einstein’s E = mc2, these energy levels become the associated masses of the particles. But then, Mass is illusionary and does not exist at all except as a manifestation of electrical charge. Einstein’s equation is valid only to the extent the illusion of mass is valid as Hal Puthof suggests above. This idea is supported by people's reported experiences in the Out of the Body state where, when they embrace, they report experiencing an "electric intensity" much more intense and fulfilling than physical sex.

Jennifer_SFBA

06/03/07, 05:22 am

The hyperdimensional physics model challenges relativity.

Jennifer_SFBA

06/03/07, 06:01 am

Duke University physicist Ashutosh Kotwal says, "We understand why particles and forces behave the way they do, and how they interact with each other. But our theories all only make sense if these fundamental particles have no mass, which is obviously not true."

Howard Haber and Michael Dine, both of whom are professors of physics at the Santa Cruz Institute for Particle Physics at the University of California at Santa Cruz:

"Much of today's research in elementary particle physics focuses on the search for a particle called the Higgs boson. This particle is the one missing piece of our present understanding of the laws of nature, known as the Standard Model. This model describes three types of forces: electromagnetic interactions, which cause all phenomena associated with electric and magnetic fields and the spectrum of electromagnetic radiation; strong interactions, which bind atomic nuclei; and the weak nuclear force, which governs beta decay--a form of natural radioactivity--and hydrogen fusion, the source of the sun's energy. (The Standard Model does not describe the fourth force, gravity.)

Jane of Arc

06/04/07, 12:36 am

"... the concept of mass may be neither fundamental nor necessary in physics.”

Einstein’s famous formula (E = mc2) is not about the conversion of one fundamental thing, mass, into another fundamental thing, energy;

but rather

“a statement about how much energy is required to give the appearance of a certain amount of mass.”

If so, then,

“there is no such thing as mass; only electric charge and energy, which together create the illusion of mass” including the human eye and brain!

“The physical universe is made up of massless electric charges immersed in a vast, energetic, all-pervasive electromagnetic field. It is the interaction of those charges and the electromagnetic field that creates the appearance of mass.”

That means that the apparent weight of any object thought of as having mass, is nothing more than the interaction of electric charges and an electromagnetic field.

Hi Jennifer ~

Thanks for all the info. But, I'd like to start from square one with your quotes about e=mc2. To me the statements above are quite a departure from my understanding of Einstein's theory.

The ground breaking work of Einstein (over 100 yrs. ago... amazing) was revolutionary becasue it basically stated that mass and energy are the same thing. Mass can be turned into energy and energy can be turned into mass. It happens all the time in the universe ... black holes, inside our own sun, what's happening at the center of our galaxy, etc., but the recipe for changing mass into energy and back again requires extreme conditions that, thanks God, can't happen in our kitchens or we'd be in deep sh*t. So, to say there's no such thing as mass and to call mass 'illusionary' is the same as saying there is no such things as energy and energy is 'illusionary'. They are interchangeable.

Nuclear fusion and fission are examples of the transformation of mass and energy. By either forcing the mass of atomic nuclei together to release energy (fusion) or splitting them apart to release energy (fission like from the atomic bomb), both molecular states exist. I'm sure the people of Hiroshima don't believe mass to be 'illusionary'.

Hope I'm not coming across as contrary... :) ... I just couldn't find the answer in the links you provided. Theoretically there are particles so tiny, neutrinos, that have zero weight mass when travelling at the speed of light. But, they can never stop. I hope you don't mind me stating from the beginning here, because e=mc2 is the building block. Thanks Jenn!

Jennifer_SFBA

06/04/07, 02:53 am

Jennifer_SFBA

06/04/07, 03:28 am

Below is a pretty good description of the formation of our sun's solar system:

The solar system formed from an immense rotating cloud of gas and dust, the
solar nebula. The sun's nuclear fires ignited at the dense center of this
nebula. The planets were born in the swirling currents of the great cloud.
Planets near the sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars, evolved as globes of
rock. They were too small and their gravitational fields too weak to capture
and hold the gases from the nebula. But far from the sun, the massive planets
Jupiter and Saturn, with powerful gravitational fields, did attract and hold
thick gaseous atmospheres of Hydrogen and Helium.

Note gravitational fields, gravitons, not electromagnetic fields, light. Where do gravitons come from that they are independant of the electromagnetic field? Physists last hope to save the Standard Model is to find in the decay of higgs bozons using a nuclear accelerator, gavitons.

Relativity is challenged by the hyperdimensional physics interconnection between this 3RD dimension and the 4TH dimension where point particle strings wink in and out of this 3RD dimension.

Jennifer_SFBA

06/04/07, 05:06 am

The constituents of large matter are electric charge (electrons), electromagnetism (a constituent of full spectrum light energy), Gravity A and rotation, or spin.

The constituents of energy are electric charge (electrons), electromagnetism, Gravity A and rotation, or spin.

To that extent, E=MC2, but there is more to the story.

What the latest thinking in theoretical physics for Superstrings says is that Superstrings vibrate and rotate such that they generate a series of different energy levels, each different energy level thus "creating" different particles, among them, electrons, protons and neutrons that are electromagentic particles of atoms, atoms being electromagnetic particles of elements. Gravity B, weak force gravity, was seen by Edmund Whittaker in his book, “History of the Theories of Aether and Electricity” as a unique relationship between molucules and atoms, namely, that molcules repel each other, but that in relation to atoms, molocules have minutely greater attraction than repulsion to atoms. That minutely greater attraction of molocules to atoms accounts for gravitation, except at very small distances, where the same mechanism accounts for cohesion, and, in recent scientifc experiments, the case for that early 1800s postulate is both supported and quantifiable. Gravity A, strong force nuclear, or atomic force gravity is still left unaccounted for EXCEPT by Superstring theory, so far, UNLESS the higgs bozon is discovered, and that is not likely. The 4TH dimension is involved with a confirmed hyperdimensional physics.

From Edmund Whittaker’s book, “History of the Theories of Aether and Electricity”

“Wilhelm Weber (1804 - 91) of Goettingen and Friedrich Zollner (1834 - 82) of Leipzig developed this concept into the idea that all ponderable molecules are associations of positively and negatively charged electrical corpuscles, with the condition that the force of attraction between corpuscles of unlike sign is somewhat greater than the force of repulsion between corpuscles of like sign. If the force between two electric units of like charge at a certain distance is a dynes and the force between a positive and a negative unit charge at the same distance is y dynes, then, taking account of the fact that a neutral atom contains as much positive as negative electric charge, it was found that (y - a)/a need only be a quantity of the order 10-35 in order to account for gravitation as due to the difference between a and y.”

All mass is able to be converted to energy. Not all energy is able to be converted to mass. Separate energy particles exist independantly of mass. Mass does not exist independantly of combined energy particles, their combination required for the existance of mass.

Jane of Arc

06/04/07, 11:20 am

Hi, Jane. Thank you for your thoughful comments. It is not often I get to think with someone else, but it's great when it happens.

Does mass create energy? Does energy create mass? Mass does release energy through entropy, but does not create energy except in the process of dynamic movement, spin, that hyperactivates existant energy. Energy does create mass, though, also through a kind of entropy, or slowing down of "eather" frequency and vibration, or energy, or electromagnetic energy combined with strong force gravity, Gravity A.

The real meat is consciousness existing apart from mass supported by non-local consciousness experienced in remote viewing and remote influencing where it is the energy of conscousness, or consciousness in energy, or consciousness of energy that is operant and that suggests "mind of creation."

Hi Jennifer!

Yes, I know what you mean ... I've always been fascinated by physics and read physic books casually like others read a dirty novel. I try to talk to people even from my limited understanding and they run screaming from me. I work out at a gym and a couple of weeks ago an instructor of the class asked if anyone had any questions. I was in a goofy mood and I asked, "What does e=mc2 mean?" (In a gym, no less.) The class of 30 people went silent. They had heard it before. Hmmm. What did it mean? No one knew. It's all good. Anyway ...

Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. Mass becomes energy. And energy can return to mass. As far as "creating" ... let's save that word for later. And before we delve into quantum physics and the wacky and intriguing world of quarks and gluons and the exciting hypotheses of string theory, let's indeed jump to the 'real meat' of the 'matter.'
(pun intended). :)

What do you mean by a third dimensional being? What are the 3 dimensions you're referring to? What are x, y and z? Why not 4 dimensions?

I have long believed that consciousness "creates" matter, but it has never been proven. Not yet. And I'm sure that's why we both are drawn to the efforts of theoretical, string and superstring physicists who are searching for a unified theory of all fundamental forces. But the problem is how to get the four dimensional world, as we know it so far, out of the way of actualizing a 10 dimensional theory.

Ironically, it's kind of the same problem theologians have with their discussion of God. It takes faith. I believe consciousness creates matter, but I can't prove it. But, I believe something in addition to that ... I believe that everything is physical. Even if it's so small and invisible and so fast it can't be measured. I think consciousness is physical and the entire physical universe is consciousness. It's all one thing. It's all ONE. But, I can't prove it. And even more "crazy" ... I believe that ONE thing is something close to (and these words are hackneyed and sound ridiculous, but ... ) what we call "the power of love." (Huey Lewis had the answer the whole time. :D ) People of "spirit" and people of "science" are searching for the exact same thing. :sunny:

Jennifer_SFBA

06/04/07, 01:04 pm

Hi, Jane. This is fun:

What is a third dimensional being? John Edwards and other mediums "talk" with people who have passed over though they have not any longer a large mass physical body and physical sensory organs that go with it. People going out of the body "see" non-locally, and sometimes their out of the body body is observed by people not out of the body and is also observed and "physically" interacted with by other people who are out of the body. So, for people who have passed over and for people out of the body, there is a less physical body existant in some dimension. Which dimension(s), and on what conditions of physics does that dimensionality of existance depend? There are clues such as the frequency and vibration of physical mass corresponding to musical scales and octaves as well as glimpses of the interaction of other dimensional realities with the 3RD dimension that itself is neither stable nor absolute depending as it does, and as other dimensions also do, on dynamics of hyperdimensional physics for existance. Consciousness has frequency and vibration too evidenced by remote viewing and remote influencing (telekinesis). So, where is consciousness able to go, and what is consciousness able to do? Consciousness being non-local is able to go to and see into and participate in any dimension's frequency and vibration with which its' own frequency and vibration is compatible. What happens to mass when the fequency and vibration of a solar system increases in the hyperdimensional physics model? 1.) Frequency and vibration increases powering up conscousness. 2.) "Star gates" open, or, more nearly, "dimensional veils" fall.

Jennifer_SFBA

06/06/07, 05:13 pm

Hi again, Jane. Have you read books by Jack Finney? All of his books are billed as science fiction. I am particularly interested in time travel, and Jack Finney has three about that, Time and Again, From Time to Time and The Third Level. They use hypnosis (altered states of conscousness) as a means of time travel. There are actual, real examples of time travel by means of existant dimensional portals on Earth and by abductees associated with UFOs. What exactly is the nature of reality?

Jennifer_SFBA

06/09/07, 01:48 am

Jane of Arc, today I found the full hour long video of Joseph Campbell's "The Hero's Journey" that is at the same time a history of the life of Joseph Campbell:"

Please click on "Play All Videos" on the right hand side.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9D77675823D59428

Matter, mass, is a manifestation of energy, rather than energy being a manifestation of mass. The implications of that are immense.

Jane of Arc

06/11/07, 07:31 pm

Matter, mass, is a manifestation of energy, rather than energy being a manifestation of mass. The implications of that are immense.

Hey Jennifer ... sorry to be so long in my reply ... but then I see I'm not the only one who has been busy with summer stuff and tons of work. POL is empty!

Anyway ... back to our discussion.

Matter/Mass is not a "manifestation" of energy. Energy IS mass. Incredibly fast matter.

mc2=e

mass x the speed of light squared = energy

:sunny:

Mr. Anderson

06/11/07, 08:33 pm

What is consciousness?

If consciousness exists and can effect mass, how can we be so sure it isn't mass?

Jennifer_SFBA

06/11/07, 09:02 pm

Jane, your question is a good one, and you are making me work, but the story goes beyond e=mc2 & Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism as it is understood, including, it seems anyway, by Maxwell himself.

Neither Einstein's e=mc2, nor Maxwell's four equations of electromagnetism as applied provide an explanation for any bound state of pure electro-magnetic energy because they provide linear explanations, whereas some non-linear interaction is required in order to yield a bound state. (Note on bound state: Binding energy represents the amount of energy that would be required to pull a nucleon (protons and neutrons) away from the nucleus of an atom), so the higher the binding energy, the lower the energy level of the configuration. This is one of the main reasons that Einstein's equation, e=mc2 and Maxwell's equations, by themselves, are not sufficient to account for the structure of the elementary point particles of matter. Today, with nuclear accelerators, we observe the collision of an electron and a positron, two massive particles of matter, resulting in their mutual annihilation and the release of apparently pure energy in the form of photons, (a constitutent of electromagnetism, or a point particle of electromagnetism) supporting the notion that there is no irreducible "rest mass," and all matter is actually a manifestation of energy.

To picture how an aggregate of massless energy can have non-zero rest mass, an analogy might be two identical massive particles connected by a massless spring such as is proposed in Super String Theory. Suppose these particles are oscillating in a simple harmonic motion about their common center of mass, alternately expanding and compressing the spring. The total energy of the system is conserved, but part of the energy oscillates between kinetic energy of the moving particles and the potential stress energy of the spring. At the point in the cycle when the spring has no tension, the speed of the particles (relative to their common center of mass) is at maximum, and, at that point of common center of mass, the particles have equal and opposite speeds. At other points in the cycle the particles are at rest with respect to their common center of mass, but the total amount of energy in the system with respect to any given inertial frame is constant, so the effective "rest mass" of the configuration is constant over the entire cycle. Since the combined rest mass of the two particles themselves (at this point in the cycle) is just "m0," or rest mass zero, the additional rest mass must be contributed by the stress energy stored in the "massless" spring. This is one example of a massless entity acquiring rest mass by virtue of its stored energy, its' harmonic energy, and that is what makes the case for mass being massless energy.

The rest mass of two particles in equal and opposite motion about the center of the massless spring configuration is simply the sum of their transverse relativistic masses, the sum of their energies.

e=mc2

In nuclear reactions, the governing force is neither gravity (point particle gravitons) nor electromagnetism (point particle photons), but rather the "strong nuclear force", which acts only over very short characteristic distances. This force holds the protons in a nucleus together, overcoming their positive electrical charges which would tend to force them apart. In contrast with the electromagnetic and gravitational forces, the potential of the strong nuclear force (in its simplest form) is proportional to a free particle of mass m in contrast to "m0."

The definition of "rest mass" is somewhat context-dependent when applied to complex accelerating configurations of entities because the momentum of such entities depends on the space and time scales on which they are evaluated, and hyperdimensional physics interplays in Super String Theory. For example, we may ask whether the rest mass of a spinning disk should include the kinetic energy associated with its spin. For another example, if the Earth is considered over just a small portion of its orbit around the Sun, we can say that it has linear momentum (with respect to the Sun's inertial rest frame), so the energy of its circumferential motion is excluded from the definition of its rest mass. However, if the Earth is considered as a bound particle during many complete orbits around the Sun, it has no net momentum with respect to the Sun's frame, and in this context the Earth's orbital kinetic energy is included in its "rest mass."

What all this means is that we are all vibrating energy. You can feel it, and you are able to modulate it to do all sorts of wonderous things, being as we are, integrally, of the field.

Jane of Arc

06/11/07, 11:20 pm

You're doing great Jennifer. And I truly appreciate it. I'm reeeeeally exhausted from work and need some shut-eye before another massive day of more work ... so I'm just going to make this quick.

I guess the bottomline is ... we're trying to explain metaphysics using physics and it simply hasn't been done yet ... "scientifically". It's all theory. Zero mass is a theory. Our present science of quantum physics is attempting to find the limits of the microcosm just as astronomy is attempting to find the limits of the universe in our macrocosm. (And why do our egos presume there even is a limit in the first place?) Hypothetically, if a scientist was capable of breaking down a quark into the next micro-level down, let's say .0000000001 times the size of an average sub-atomic particle, the result could yield a quark relatively the size of a planet in someone else's universe. And in reverse our galaxy could be a quark in an electron in a molecule in an organism on a beach blanket on the planet of Zuba.

"Reality" science doesn't seriously work with metaphysicists/ spiritualists and vice versa. And maybe they should. :sunny:

Jennifer_SFBA

06/12/07, 04:13 pm

Hi, Jane. Zero mass particles are no longer theory. They are proven. What is not yet proven is the mechanism by which zero mass particles exist. Superstring theory is the best physics explanation there is so far to explain the mechanism by which zero mass particles exist, and it is consistant with music theory. One might see the multiverse as "heaven on Earth" able to be understood by/in interdimensional, multidimensional "mind." Going back to an earlier analogy in the discussion about Superstrings, the 2D and 3D worlds and the circuit board, we see point particle strings wink in and out of our 3D world, but there is a whole inter-penetrating 4D world and beyond where the winking in and out occurs interdimensionally and multidimensionally. Combining knowledge of hyperdimenstional Platonic solids with hyperdimensional physics and with non-linear geometry, we begin to contemplate interdimensionally and multidimensionally. It is in that thinking that we are able to see the 4D world and beyond in-folding, inter-penetrating 3D space non-linearly.

As Richard Hoagland says:

"Hyper-D physics hypothesizes that the basic laws of the three-dimensional world are united in four dimensional space, but merely "look different because of the resulting crumpled geometry of 3-D reality." This is a major break with Newtonian laws of "action at a distance ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion )." Instead it proposes that such "forces" are a "direct result of objects moving through 3-D space geometry... distorted by the intruding geometry of 4-D space." In essence, the laws of nature become simpler in higher dimensions because of the effect of geometric spatial distortions in the 3-D world."

Jane of Arc

06/13/07, 12:08 am

Hi Jennifer,

Thanks for the excellent post. But to clarify, I said nothing about "proven" or "unproven". I said it's theory. That's why it's called Theoretical Physics. From Newton to Maxwell to Planck to Einstein to Oppenheimer to Hawking to Witten and Greene ... all theoretical physicists. The attempts of these physicists to understand our universe is dependent on mathematics, abstractions, experiments and pretty much ignores metaphysical phenonmenon.

Our discussion began with me asking you what "Third Dimensional Beings" were. I found it intriguing and I thought we were going to get into a metaphysical discussion. But, it became an extremely fun jaunt through science ... I love science and thank you! I just still don't understand what you mean by a Third Dimensional Being? You said Christ was a Third Dimensional Being. What are the dimensions? Or was that just a phrase of some kind?

You quoted Richard Hoagland from "Coast to Coast" fame? Or is there a physicist by the same name?

Jennifer_SFBA

06/13/07, 04:14 am

I'd place Hal Puthof as a most notable metaphysician and physicist. Richard Hoagland too with his inquiries into hyperdimensionality, UFOs and aliens. Yes, the Richard Hoagland who I've quoted is one and the same who has been interviewed numerous times on Coast to Coast AM. Before I first ever knew anything about Richard Hoagland's work though, I read Thomas Bearden on electromagnetism. Bearden replicated about 200 derivitives from Maxwell's work and said it may have been that Maxwell didn't know the full implications of what he had discovered, free energy from the vacuum of space. Some time after that, I bought a 3-day pass with workshop tickets included in the price to a UFO Congress sponsored convention that was held at a kind of run down, medieval castle appearing hotel in San Mateo located on the peninsula south of San Francisco, between San Francisco and San Jose. Richard Hoagland was there, and he sounded interesting to me from my reading of my program, so I went to his lecture. That went well, and I then went to his workshop. Richard's lecture was about the geometry of the structures on Mars located at Cydonia, and his workshop focused on the hyperdimensional implications of the tetrahedral shaped "D&M Pyramid" on Mars. Effectively, in a nutshell, he said;

Place an imaginary tetrahedron [a pyramid with four surfaces, each of which are equilateral triangles] inside a sphere [e.g. a planet] with one vertex touching the North or South pole and the other 3 vertices will rest at 19.5 degrees North or South latitude at 120 degree intervals around the sphere. Now rotate this sphere at a high rate of speed and something strange occurs. You get an upwelling of energy from within the sphere seemingly coming from nowhere that produces different [visual] effects depending on what your sphere is made up of. For example, if your sphere is made up of magma (molten rock) and a thin surface crust of solid rock, you get a volcanic upwelling at roughly 19.5 degrees N or S latitude.

Following that, I began to see that the 5 lug nuts on car wheels are tetrahedral in form. It began to look to me as though some people may have knowledge beyond what most people have been taught and know.

Earth : Hawaiian Mauna Kea volcano : 19.6 degrees N ;

Mars : Olympus Mons volcano : 19.3 degrees N

If your sphere is made up of a gas you get a different "visual" effect :

Jupiter : The Great Red Spot : ~19.5 degrees S

Jennifer_SFBA

06/13/07, 04:15 am

Continued:

I saw the movie "2001" when it came out. Later I saw 2010. At the time, I thought they were interesting and that something was being alluded to, but not being said.

In the late 80's, Richard Hoagland's ideas began my thinking about metaphysical, astrological implications that may be involved.

In 2007, I followed the Cassini mission and Michio Kaku's concerns about the gravitational slingshot around Earth that was planned by NASA to send Cassini on its' way to "Saturn" and the risk that the "putonium" on board powering Cassini could polute Earth if it should miss the turnaround and fall back to Earth. I began thinking then about the ancient gods Saturn and Pluto and on to the ancient gods Venus and Mars and Mercury, closest to the Sun, in Chaucer's, "The Knight's Tale."

Two cousins and knights of the same order and both imprisoned, Palamon and Arcite, each fall hopelessly in love with the most lovely, Emily. Palamon tries to disuade Arcite's affections from Emily saying that Arcite's knightly vows of loyalty should cause him to forego his love, but Arcite replies that love breaks all rules and therefore, in effect, that all is fair in love and war. Due to intervention, Arcite is released from prison with the rule that under pain of death he be forever bannished from returning to Athens. Palamon, though, believes Arcite will return by force arms for his love, Emily, at some future time. Palamon eventually escapes his prison.

This is where the story becomes astrologically very interesting in light of Hoagland's work and the Cassini mission:

After anguishing in Thebes over his love, Emily, Arcite has a dream wherein the god Mercury calls him to return to Athens. Arcite returns to Athens and shortly meets up with Palamon who challenges Arcite to a battle to the death for the most beautiful, Emily. While in the midst of Battle Duke Theseus who had originally imprisoned them both for life, breaks them up and forgives them at the behest of the Queen and Emily, but orders that they return several years hence with 100 knights each for a "royal" battle to be held in an amphetheatre the Duke shall have built. The gods Theseus worships are Venus, goddess of love and Mars, the god of war. On the appointed day of their "royal" battle, Palamon has the champion, Lucurgus, King of Thrace and Arcite has as his champion the Indian King, Emetrius. Before the battle between the champions, Palamon prays to Venus, Emily prays to Venus and Dianna and Arcite prays to Mars asking for victory in battle - "The portal doors swing open, the fires flame, a low voice replies, "Victory." The gods Venus and Mars fight over who is going to be able to keep the promise each made to Palamon and Arcite respectively. The god Saturn steps in to settle the dispute between Venus and Mars so that both are able to honor their promises. Duke Thesius forbids leathal weapons from being used in the battle between the champions and says anyone injured forfeits combat. Palamon's champion is wounded and Arcite is declared the victor. Venus is angry and petulent that Arcite has won. Venus' father Saturn says for her to be patient and to let events play themselves out. As Arcite takes his victory lap, the Earth trembles and Arcite falls from his horse, mortally wounded. Saturn got Pluto, the god of the underworld to cause the earthquake. At his burial, Emily lights Arcite's funeral pyre by a torch. Palamon and Emily mourn Arcite's death for years after which time they live on happily.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-034

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/AOHM1.htm

Please scroll down and click twice in the video frame at the link below:

http://thebravenewworldorder.blogspot.com/2007/04/contact-with-higher-intelligence-and.html

Jennifer_SFBA

06/13/07, 04:46 am

Please scroll down at the link below to conceptualize the Earth / Venus pattern relative to our Sun:

http://www.bob-wonderland.supanet.com/journal_10.htm

Jennifer_SFBA

06/13/07, 10:20 am

Though there are no official records saying so explicitly, through strong linguistic references, connections and position, it is all but certain Chaucer, 1343 -1400, was a Knights Templar Freemason.

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/mackeys_encyclopedia/c.htm

CHAUCER AND FREEMASONRY

For some centuries the Kings of England had a general overseer to manage and to supervise their own many and often very large building operations, and to act in the King's name when Royal supervision of any other building enterprise might be called for, such officials being called at times Commissioner, Supervisor, Chief Clerk, etc. Elias de Dereham and William of Wykeham were two of the more famous ''surveyors''; as also were, at a later time, Inigo Jones, who introduced the Palladian style from Italy into England, and Christopher Wren.

Geoffrey Chaucer, the poet, held the office late in the Fourteenth Century. On page 67, of the Transactions of the Manchester Association for Masonic Research, Vol. 19-21 (for 1928-31) was quoted a document which Chaucer issued and signed:

(3) Bill of Geodffrey Chaucer, Clerk of the King's Works, to be Chancellor, for the issue of a commission under the Great Seal to Hugh Swayn to purvey stone, timber, tiles, shingles, &c. and to take masons, carpenters, and others for the works at Westminster, Sheen, Kennington, Charing Mews, Byfleet, Coldkennington, Clarendon and Hathebergh Lodge; and of similar commissions to three others for the works of the Tower of London, Berkhampstead, Childeme Langley, and Eltham. (A.D.1389. French. Probably holograph.) Signed :- Par GeoEray Chaucer, clerc des cevereines du roy nostre seignur.

Traces of signet. (Chancery Warrants 1. 1660 a No. 26)

Chaucer's Canterbury Tales also establish a link, though a less obvious one, between the poet and the Craft of Masons. The Masons' Company in London, with which Chaucer had official connections, sustained the St. Thomas Hospital there, left it many bequests, and often visited it in livery. Masons' Companies in two, and possibly three, other cities also helped to support local hospitals of their own named for St. Thomas and it is possible that they looked on St. Thomas as their Patron Saint. This Saint Thomas was the martyred Archbishop of Canterbury, St. Thomas Becket, who was murdered in his own cathedral in 1170. The fact that three knights, described at the time as "the three ruffians," murdered the fifty-three year old prelate by beating him over the head after demanding that he "give them his word," threatened to bury him in the rubbish, and that his body was buried in a spot between a memorial to John the Baptist on one side and John the Evangelist on the other, the two forming parallel lines, must have held a peculiar interest to men in the Masons' Companies, and may account for their support of St. Thomas Hospitals; and it is possible that Chauser, connected with the Mason Company in London as he was, may from that association have had his interest in Canterbury first aroused, and as a result of which he wrote in rhyme the Canterbury (St. Thomas' church) Tales.

It belongs to the in curable romanticism of Medieval England 'that this St. Thomas, England's "favorite saint,'' her most "glorious martyr," "the most English of the Saints," was by blood only half English, and half Christian. Gilbert Becket was a member of the Mercers Company, or gild, but as a young man went off on one of the Crusades to war on the infidel Saracens, was captured, was released by "a fair Saracen," a Mohammedan lady ; they fell in love, she followed him to London, professed conversion, and Thomas was their son.

Thomas learned reading and writing, went to work in the Sheriff's office, and then was employed by the King, upon whose wish, and against Thomas' own desires, he took Holy Orders expressly in order to be named Archbishop of Canterbury, where the King purposed to have a friend and supporter in that highest of ecclesiastical offices, but discovered to his chagrin, and too late, that "he had a Tartar there."

The Mercers Company afterwards was given the land which had belonged to the senior Becket; and in the Charter given it by Henry IV in 1406 its members were named "Brothers of St. Thomas à Becket." St. Thomas was for centuries a favorite Patron Saint among the gilds and companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Domenico_Cassini

Jennifer_SFBA

06/13/07, 11:32 am

So, Jane, we have direct physical evidence of hyperdimensional physics at work in the creation of the hexagon pattern that appears at the north pole of Saturn. Chaucer talks about a portal swinging open and fires flaming. Through his explorations of the calendrical nature of the I-Ching, Terrance McKenna's Tme Wave Zero computer program shows time, as we've known it, coming to an end. The movie 2010 has the astronaut who had seemingly died, been reborn into another dimension, return to say to they who were on the exploratory spacecraft that they had to leave the area because something wonderful was going to happen. They do, and out of a great cosmic explosion a new sun is born within Earth's solar system. Then there is the book of Revelation in the Christian bible to read and to consider in that context. American Indians talk about the time of purification of Earth that is to occur at about this time.

What is mass? Are human beings but matter, mass? What does it mean to be born into another dimension for third dimensional beings?