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Coven
01/15/05, 05:09 pm
Dear friends at POL:

George Bush and Republican leaders have made phasing out Social Security through privatization and massive benefit cuts their top priority for 2005. Members of Congress are choosing sides over the next couple of weeks.

We need to make sure they choose correctly now—before a massive election-style campaign by George Bush and the Wall Street interests gets to them including what might be a $100 million TV ad campaign.

MoveOn’s trying to gather 200,000 signatures to present to lawmakers when they return after the inauguration. You can sign the petition now at:

http://www.moveon.org/socialsecurity/

Social Security is a complicated issue, but the basics are really pretty simple:

° Social Security provides monthly benefits to some 44 million Americans who are retired, disabled or the survivor of a deceased parent. It provides most of the income for older Americans--some 64 percent of their support. It has lifted generations of seniors out of poverty.

° Social Security is not in crisis. That is an outright lie perpetrated in order to create the urgency for radical changes. Under conservative forecasts, the long-term challenges in Social Security do not manifest themselves until 2042. Even then Social Security has 70 percent of needed funds. That shortfall is smaller than the amount needed in 1983, the last time we overhauled Social Security. George Bush's Social Security crisis-talk is an effort to create a specter of doom -- just like the weapons of mass destruction claim in Iraq.

° Phasing out Social Security and replacing it with privatized accounts means one thing: massive cuts in monthly benefits for everybody. Social Security privatization requires diverting taxes used to pay current benefits into privatized accounts invested in risky stocks. Without that money Social Security benefits will inevitably be cut -- some proposals even cut benefits of current retirees. These benefit cuts are inevitable, since diverting Social Security money into privatized accounts means less money to pay current and future benefits.

° Every serious privatization proposal raises the Social Security retirement age to 70. That might be fine if you're a Washington special interest lobbyist but it is incredibly unfair to blue-collar Americans with tough, physical jobs, or for African Americans and Latinos with lower life expectancies.

° Privatization means gambling with your retirement security. There is probably an appropriate place for a little stock market risk in retirement planning -- but it isn't Social Security. Privatization exposes your entire retirement portfolio to stock market risks -- and the risk that you'll outlive any of your savings at retirement. You can't outlive your Social Security benefit.

° So who does benefit? Wall Street. Giant financial services firms have been salivating for decades over the prospect of taking over Social Security. Wall Street would make billions of dollars in profit by managing the privatized accounts -- money that would come directly from your benefits.

° Action is urgently needed today. President Bush and Republican leaders in Congress are joining forces with the financial services industry for a major campaign to convince the public there is a major crisis and pressure members of Congress to vote for privatization. Action is needed now before it is too late. Please sign MoveOn’s petition to protect Social Security at the link below.

http://www.moveon.org/socialsecurity/

Thanks for doing this.

Jaycey
01/15/05, 05:58 pm
Agree with you and signed already. Am brand new to this site. Doesn't seem very active. What gives?

Coven
01/15/05, 08:20 pm
Welcome Jaycey and thanks for signing. This site is fairly new. Some really good people with great information. I've learned so much in the past few months. It's also a good place to vent and share. I feel less frustrated because I know there are others out there who feel the same.

JamesP
01/18/05, 10:54 pm
The American people have demostrated clearly in the 2004 election how fearful, gullible, greedy, violent, short-sighted and unsophisticated we can be. The chances are good that hillbilly Bush and his gang can hand over the key to the long-coveted treasure chest of social security to wall street, while we sit idly back, riveted to our television sets, watching Fear Factor and Oprah and shivering at the thought of "scary Arab terrosists networks".

Jaycey
04/07/05, 02:01 am
Dear James,

Total agreement here...and I sign everything I can get my hands on to get our message out. Write my representatives often...but 2 of the 3 are already liberal enough for me in their votes. Diane Feinstein is more conservative, but still a positive force from here in California.

I am back to this site now that I have a link from the liberal match site associated with this website. I forgot about this; shame on me.

Another liberal voter who DOES think Bush is a stupid puppet!

sweetpea
01/05/06, 03:34 pm
Yeah.

Let's keep SS just as it is. Let's change nothing and watch it go broke. After it goes broke we can find someone to blame (preferably a Republican)

I thought progressive folks had progressive ideas. It is shameful that we are going to sit back and watch SS go broke because noone has the backbone to do something progressive and change it.

If you are under 35 or so and are counting on SS...good luck with all that.

Jane of Arc
01/05/06, 07:52 pm
There is no crisis with Social Security. All we have to do is get these Nazis out of office and cut the obscene military budget and all will be well.

sweetpea
01/06/06, 09:10 am
There is no crisis with Social Security. All we have to do is get these Nazis out of office and cut the obscene military budget and all will be well.
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Really? No crisis? Want me to point you in theirection of quotes from Democrats over a period of decades where they have been complaining of a crisis? Suddenly, a Rep. wants to address the problem and whoops the crisis disappears.

Jane of Arc
01/06/06, 03:15 pm
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Really? No crisis? Want me to point you in theirection of quotes from Democrats over a period of decades where they have been complaining of a crisis? Suddenly, a Rep. wants to address the problem and whoops the crisis disappears.

You missed the point of my post. I am saying that by reducing the obscene amount of tax dollars that goes to the military budget we could have money for a variety of beneficial social programs including Social Security.

There is no reason and justification for the United States to be the police of the world.

U.S. Military Budget Still the World's Largest, and Growing
Selected Countries Military Budget

United States $396.1 Billion
Russia* $60.0
China* $42.0
Japan $40.4
United Kingdom $34.0
Saudi Arabia $27.2
France $25.3
Germany $21.0
Brazil* $17.9
India $15.6
Italy $15.5
South Korea $11.8
Iran $9.1
Israel $9.0
Taiwan $8.2
Canada $7.7
Spain $6.9
Australia $6.6
Netherlands $5.6
Turkey $5.1
Singapore $4.3
Sweden $4.2
United Arab Emirates* $3.9
Poland $3.7
Greece $3.3
Argentina* $3.1
Pakistan $2.6
Norway $2.8
Kuwait $2.6
Denmark $2.4
Belgium $2.2
Colombia $2.1
Egypt $2.1
Vietnam $1.8
Iraq $1.4
North Korea $1.3
Portugal $1.3
Libya $1.2
Czech Republic $1.1
Philippines $1.1
Luxembourg $0.9
Hungary $0.8
Syria $0.8
Cuba $0.7
Sudan $0.6
Yugoslavia $0.5

Figures are for latest year available, usually 2001. Expenditures are used in a few cases where official budgets are significantly lower than actual spending. The figure for the United States is from the annual budget request for Fiscal Year 2003.

* 2000 Funding

Table prepared by Center for Defense Information.
Sources: International Institute for Strategic Studies, Department of Defense



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sweetpea
01/06/06, 03:57 pm
You missed the point of my post. I am saying that by reducing the obscene amount of tax dollars that goes to the military budget we could have money for a variety of beneficial social programs including Social Security.

There is no reason and justification for the United States to be the police of the world.

U.S. Military Budget Still the World's Largest, and Growing
Selected Countries Military Budget

United States $396.1 Billion
Russia* $60.0
China* $42.0
Japan $40.4
United Kingdom $34.0
Saudi Arabia $27.2
France $25.3
Germany $21.0
Brazil* $17.9
India $15.6
Italy $15.5
South Korea $11.8
Iran $9.1
Israel $9.0
Taiwan $8.2
Canada $7.7
Spain $6.9
Australia $6.6
Netherlands $5.6
Turkey $5.1
Singapore $4.3
Sweden $4.2
United Arab Emirates* $3.9
Poland $3.7
Greece $3.3
Argentina* $3.1
Pakistan $2.6
Norway $2.8
Kuwait $2.6
Denmark $2.4
Belgium $2.2
Colombia $2.1
Egypt $2.1
Vietnam $1.8
Iraq $1.4
North Korea $1.3
Portugal $1.3
Libya $1.2
Czech Republic $1.1
Philippines $1.1
Luxembourg $0.9
Hungary $0.8
Syria $0.8
Cuba $0.7
Sudan $0.6
Yugoslavia $0.5

Figures are for latest year available, usually 2001. Expenditures are used in a few cases where official budgets are significantly lower than actual spending. The figure for the United States is from the annual budget request for Fiscal Year 2003.

* 2000 Funding

Table prepared by Center for Defense Information.
Sources: International Institute for Strategic Studies, Department of Defense



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So let's cut the defense budget in half and see what happens right?

Three things...the money will be pissed away without getting to SS. We will end up fighting more regional conflicts because of the weakness perceived. Enemies of the US and of Western culture wil be emboldened.

There is a crisis in SS and the Dmo. hypocrites know it. Worse is GWB for dropping the subject.

Jane of Arc
01/06/06, 05:27 pm
So let's cut the defense budget in half and see what happens right?

Healthcare? Peace? Build up the infrastructure from outside attacks? Protect our ports? World respect? Better trade? Money for schools? Less dead people in the world? Nah ... you're right ... bomb away!

Three things...the money will be pissed away without getting to SS. We will end up fighting more regional conflicts because of the weakness perceived. Enemies of the US and of Western culture wil be emboldened.

That happens to all the other countries who have a reasonable war budgets? Right ... keep those bombs coming!!!

There is a crisis in SS and the Dmo. hypocrites know it. Worse is GWB for dropping the subject.

UGH.

sweetpea
01/09/06, 08:59 am
Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetpea
So let's cut the defense budget in half and see what happens right?

What-Healthcare? Peace? Build up the infrastructure from outside attacks? Protect our ports? World respect? Better trade? Money for schools? Less dead people in the world? Nah ... you're right ... bomb away!

AS I said, the money will be pissed away. Teh things on your list don't exist w/o our military there to protect them.

Quote:Sweetpea
Three things...the money will be pissed away without getting to SS. We will end up fighting more regional conflicts because of the weakness perceived. Enemies of the US and of Western culture wil be emboldened.


What - That happens to all the other countries who have a reasonable war budgets? Right ... keep those bombs coming!!!
--Actually, it does. Spain, France, Russia, The Phillipines are the most recent examples.