[Mr. Neo-Con]

If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat
his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as
independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government
protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor
and then sues.

[-V-]

If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat
his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as
independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government
protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor
and then sues.

if a conservative likes guns, he wants them to be as lethal as possible, including automatic weapons and he objects to common sense measures to prevent them from getting into the hands of the young, criminal, or insane.

if a conservative is a meat eater, he doesn't care how abusive the process is to animals as long as they don't look like his own dog, or how destructive the process is to our environment (#1 cause of global warming and deforestation) as long as he can get a double cheesburger for under a buck)

If a conservative perceives a foreign threat, he becomes that which he fears (i.e. a terrorist), attacking first, and with little regard for civilian casualties (using weapons of mass destruction) in contradiction of the teachings of Jesus Christ, his savior.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life in the closet, in the pulpit, or in the stall adjacent to you, taking a "wide stance" gently tapping his toe in code for a BJ from a stranger, while at the same time condemning and legislating what goes on in the bedrooms of consenting, loving couples.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative they are hired to be a GOP spokesperson on cable news to give the impression that the core of the party doesn't really hate and fear them.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he stands in the unemployment line, toe to toe, with his hand out, alongside liberals, socialists, minorities, muslims, athiests, gays, etc..

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels, unless it's "Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher", or body parts are shown or a dirty word is heard in which case they want it shut down.

If a conservative is a Christian he wants it, contrary to this country's founding principles, to take priority over everyone else's religious beliefs, injected into our government and schools and shopping malls 3 months before Xmas.

If a conservative can afford healthcare he buys it, if you can't **** YOU, even if YOU are his mother, because he wouldn't want his progressive, Black President to get credit for doing anything good for his country!

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed because he is such an easy going, sweet loving guy who would never want to cause trouble for anyone else or speak up for himself (and besides, he has stock in the company, and litigating, legislating, or regulating them to act responsibly in any way might put a dent in the shareholder's portfolio)

:laughing:

(yes, NeoConJob, you picked a bad day to post (copy & post). i had a few minutes to spare)

[Mr. Neo-Con]

1. Once a liberal calls any measure common sense to rein in guns, that's nothing more than a precursor to the big government libs abolishing them all together. Yet, they will lie and say that they are for the 2nd Amendment.

2. Once our nation liberated Iraq and Afghanistan, we did in fact take measures to prevent any civilian casualties. So, V, to act like that we haven't done all that we can do to prevent any innocent life from being killed is just wrong. But, look who I'm talking to? You believe in handling any terrorist problem as if it was a police matter. Then, you would love to give them constitutional rights. Hey, what about a free education and a trip to DQ to buy some Ice Cream? TYPICAL LIBERALS WHO ARE WEAK ON TERRORISM!

3. The act of Homosexuality is a SIN! What about this do you libs not understand? I have cited by chapter what Jesus Christ has said on the subject. But, you radical libs want to have that sin socially accepted.

4. On the subject of race, all you have are sterotypes V of what you think the Republican Party is. It was the Grand Old Party that under Abraham Lincoln that gave emancipation to blacks. But, to listen to your limited view of what the party is all about, well le's just say that you have no idea what you are talking about.

5. With TV shows like Bill Maher, I think you have it all wrong. Yes, Bill Maher is a dirtbag. And, he thinks that he can just say anthing and its OK. For the liberal bias media in general, Bill Maher is no problem, but let a conservative commentator say something as nutty as what that baffoon Bill Maher does and the radical liberal media will be all over him like ugly on Hillary Clinton.

6. As far as Christianity is concerned V, there is only one god - not many.

7.If someone can buy Health Insurance, that's great! But, for those who are always looking for a hand out instead of working for it, I say get a JOB!!! But, in this era of Barack Hussein Obama, good luck in finding one.

8. On any slips and falls, it is the party of lawyers and lawsuits (AKA, The Dems) that do more to hurt our society of good will and hard work.

[jr2007sc]

If a conservative is a Christian he wants it, contrary to this country's founding principles, to take priority over everyone else's religious beliefs, injected into our government and schools and shopping malls 3 months before Xmas.


Why do you leftists HATE Christians so much? It's the one group that can be lampooned, discriminated against and trivialized. All is fair when trying to destroy Christianity. How about the constant vilification of the Catholic Church by the Press and Hollywood at every turn? The NERVE of those crazy Evangelists professing their faith in public!

NEWSFLASH...CHRISTMAS IS FOR CHRISTIANS. Why would you care what we do "3 months before Christmas" if you're not a Christian? And you leftists profess to be TOLERANT and open minded? WHAT A JOKE!

Do you know what happens when a nation is devoid of faith? An example is the swill that was the Soviet Union. Read up on the Bolshevik treatment of the Russian Church and the peoples' total lack of humanity and utter indifference to each other as a result of it in the early Soviet regime. It's shocking.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

What about Jesus Christ's own words concerning homexuality and peace, and caring for the poor, etc. do you not get, you "Christian" hypocrit?

You talk about God's law from every hateful perspective except Jesus' while trashing Jesus Christ's teachings who ultimately established God's law for people of Earth to follow, and you do it both knowingly and willingly. That makes you a hypocrit in the ways Jesus himself described it.


What did Jesus say in his own words?

Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute you; [Matthew 5:44]

Paying Taxes & Separation of Church & State: Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. [Matthew 22:21]

Equality & Social Programs: But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]


I will post AGAIN Jesus' own words concerning the range of gay people (GLBT)with scollarly analysis added that I posted to you before that you acknowledged in the tread you, yourself began "Just the facts on Homosexuality!":

"For there are eunuchs who were born so from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. To him who can comprehend, that is enough.” (Matthew 19:12 ). The Aramaic word m'haym-ne (plural) is translated as eunuchs here, but the root meanings of this word in this form are: trusted ones, faithful ones and believers. These "trusted ones" were also servants such as chamberlains, eunuchs and officers. In addition, m’haym-na (singular) meant a homosexual male because he was trusted to not sleep with a woman, hence, “trusted."

“For there are eunuchs who were born so from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. To him who can comprehend, that is enough.” (Matthew 19:12). This verse is found when Jesus is speaking about marriage between a man and a woman. Then Jesus goes on and quotes this verse talking about people that it wouldn’t be good for them to marry because of the way they were born, or because of a situation, or because of their choice. - In order to get a correct interpretation of a verse, you have to know the definition of words and the way the verse is used in the context. But also, in regards to the New Testament Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John), Jesus said a lot of things that appear to be out of context when he was asked questions; so we have to go by the definitions for the word m'haym-na - Eunuch. Now this verse is actually not out-of-context in regards to males that it wouldn’t be good for them to marry a woman (wife). It would not be good for a homosexual male to marry a woman because he lacks the sexual pheromone receptors that enable him to be attracted to women. He has more of the X-chromosome results involving other biochemical processess in utero. It should be noted that a homosexual is impotent toward a woman. The other two reasons why a male wouldn’t be able to marry a woman are obvious by the meaning of the word m’haym-na and its associations.

A couple other things that need to be pointed out is, the Aramaic word il-mi-saw, translated in Matthew 19:10 as “to marry,” means "to take." Jesus was talking about males that it wouldn’t be good for them to take a woman. The other thing is when Jesus talks about the eunuchs that it wouldn’t be good for them to take a woman, he says: “…To him who can comprehend, that is enough.” That last phrase is better translated as: "Whoever is able to receive it, let him receive it." The root word here spaq, also metaphorically means to "receive with the mind," "accept." The eunuchs not sleeping with women not only receive it, but they accept it. It is unlikely that Jesus’ reference to a born eunuch is referring to a straight impotent man. I can’t picture a straight man accepting his impotence if he is lusting after a woman. Also, a lot of gay males marry a woman because they don’t know the truth about what the Hebrew and Aramaic Bible teaches. A lot of the males that are impotent toward their wives are homosexuals.

A COMPENDIOUS SYRIAC DICTIONARY

m'hay-min, m'haym-na, m'hay-man-tha a believer, a Christian, faithful, trustworthy, an eunuch

(Syriac Dictionary, edited by J. Payne Smith 1998, pg 255).

Foreign Language Lexicons (or Dictionaries) don’t always give all the meanings of a word.

This Syriac Dictionary stops short of defining m’haym-na as an effeminate, but it does define the phrase “man of the woman” (gwar ni-shai) as meaning: an hermaphrodite, a eunuch, effeminate.

(Syriac Dictionary, edited by J. Payne Smith 1998, pg 59).

[-V-]

1. Once a liberal calls any measure common sense to rein in guns, that's nothing more than a precursor to the big government libs abolishing them all together.

it is always about the FEAR factor - the next gun step is abolish guns!, the next healthcare step is to put down your grandma!, etc.. scary -- boo, booooooo!

2. So, V, to act like that we haven't done all that we can do to prevent any innocent life from being killed is just wrong.

if we did "all we can do" we must really be screw-ups given that even conservative estimates are that we have killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq & Afghan

3. The act of Homosexuality is a SIN! What about this do you libs not understand? I have cited by chapter what Jesus Christ has said on the subject.

perhaps you should read the whole Bible, or at least the additional passages Jen points out, as well as the variety of idiotic reasons it would have people stoned to death for

4. On the subject of race, all you have are sterotypes V of what you think the Republican Party is. It was the Grand Old Party that under Abraham Lincoln

you have to go way back to Abe Lincoln to tout something the GOP can be proud of?

5. With TV shows like Bill Maher, I think you have it all wrong. Yes, Bill Maher is a dirtbag. And, he thinks that he can just say anthing and its OK.

ahh, so it is not OK to say anything???

6.As far as Christianity is concerned V, there is only one god - not many.

As far as America is concerned there are many religions and none can be discriminated against.

man, sometimes i think you get the idea that you "can just say anything and its OK" ;)

[-V-]

On any slips and falls, it is the party of lawyers and lawsuits (AKA, The Dems) that do more to hurt our society of good will and hard work.

you are really fired up about slipping and falling lawsuits. god bless you. may you never bust a knee in walmart because they didn't clean up a spill and have to sue them because insurance doesn't cover the outrageous medical bills. it's salt of the earth's like you that will save the walmarts of the world .0000001 % of their profits, and save the health insurance industry 1% of their profits from frivilous lawsuits. you are a real hero!

on the other end of the scale, corporate crusaders like you will also be sure that company profits are not disturbed while their practices destroy the ozone and eventually the whole frigging planet. tally ho!

and while we're debating litigation, and, as you put it:
the differences between the good guys (conservatives) and the bad guys (liberals).
there's a terrific news story today worth mentioning:

After 4 days on the job serving our country in Iraq, a young woman was, in her words,
"brutally, sexually assaulted and drugged and imprisoned in a container, guarded by Halliburton employees with machine guns"

Apparently, the GOP (good-old-pricks) are the party of not holding any business (not named ACORN) accountable, even if that business receives tax payer money and rapes and locks up a woman so she can't report it:

You can find the names of the 30 (3 out of 4) GOP rat pig bastards who are protecting the tax payed rapists here:
http://www.republicansforrape.org/legislators

For the names of the GOP senators who oppose adding some competition for the insurance industry who have doubled rates over the last 8 years, ... well, no need to look them up. If they are a Senator and they are a Republican they oppose it.

[Mr. Neo-Con]

1. Once a liberal calls any measure common sense to rein in guns, that's nothing more than a precursor to the big government libs abolishing them all together.

it is always about the FEAR factor - the next gun step is abolish guns!, the next healthcare step is to put down your grandma!, etc.. scary -- boo, booooooo!

2. So, V, to act like that we haven't done all that we can do to prevent any innocent life from being killed is just wrong.

if we did "all we can do" we must really be screw-ups given that even conservative estimates are that we have killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq & Afghan

3. The act of Homosexuality is a SIN! What about this do you libs not understand? I have cited by chapter what Jesus Christ has said on the subject.

perhaps you should read the whole Bible, or at least the additional passages Jen points out, as well as the variety of idiotic reasons it would have people stoned to death for

4. On the subject of race, all you have are sterotypes V of what you think the Republican Party is. It was the Grand Old Party that under Abraham Lincoln

you have to go way back to Abe Lincoln to tout something the GOP can be proud of?

5. With TV shows like Bill Maher, I think you have it all wrong. Yes, Bill Maher is a dirtbag. And, he thinks that he can just say anthing and its OK.

ahh, so it is not OK to say anything???

6.As far as Christianity is concerned V, there is only one god - not many.

As far as America is concerned there are many religions and none can be discriminated against.

man, sometimes i think you get the idea that you "can just say anything and its OK" ;)


1. Hey V, on guns, it isn't about fear as you may say but about reality. Now, isn't it a little hypocritical to say we (Republicans) use fear when it is the fear-mongering liberal Dems that use fear in drumming up the age old race and class warfare issues when trying to get elected? People in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks, V!

2. I don't know what "Conservatives" estimates that you are talking about or citing, but you always like to place things in the WRONG context, V. Do you remember that we are at war and we have our enemies that try to mingle with the civilian population or go into places of worship to still contine their attacks against our troops? But, it's just like you typical libs that want to blame our troops for everything.

3. On the subject of Homosexuality, Jen doesn't know anything about the bible but to take things out of context and think she is right. V, have you ever heard of the differences between the old and new testaments? Let me (once again) give you the scriptures from God on the subject of Homosexuality. Go to Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, and 1 Timothy 1:9-11. Look, I know the truth hurts, but I didn't say it. GOD DID!

4. On the subject of race, no V I didn't have to go back to the days of Ab. I could have talked about the stonewalling on civil rights by the likes of then senate majority leader Lyndon Johnson. Would you like to start there? You see on the matter of civil rights, Dems lose all the time!

5. No. People can speak their mind, but with in the context of what society sees as accepted behavior, he (Bill Maher) pushes the limit. If that was a conservative like Glen Beck, you libs would be up in arms.

6. On religion, no one is talking about discriminating against any religion, but all I'm saying is that whether one is a Baptist or a Catholic or such, there is only one god. We pray to the same god.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

The God in Levitucus who got the ball rolling against homosexuality was Jehovah, an alien god of flesh. I have strong reason to believe Satan and Jehovah are of the alien repitilian race. Then, Jesus came to Earth and exposed Satan and Jehovah by extension as liars and false gods. What that suggests me is that reptilian alien society, not being human, may not like, or approve of homosexuality within their own alien society, but that reptilian aliens perpetuated what may be their own social values on Earth to apply to human beings. That those "anti-homosexual, possibly reptilian alien inspired social values" were again reflected among human beings after Jesus' death does not surprise me as they had been ingrained in Jewish culture for thousands of years before Jesus came to Earth, and also because Jesus' time on Earth teaching the truth about who God really is, namely, in Jesus' own words, "SPIRIT", and not any "god of flesh", was so short, only 33 years. Maching thousands of years of ingrained false gods' anti-homosexual social values teaching against 33 years of enlightened teaching of SPIRIT by Jesus, was a nut that would not crack, not for Paul, not for Timothy, et al, EXCEPT that we still have Jesus' own teachings of the SPIRIT to read, think about and to meditate and reflect on in all matters, including the matter of homosexuality that he, himself, Jesus accepted as natural and not in any way condemned, or hated by him, Jesus. The spirit of condemnation and/or hatred is Satanic, not godly, not spiritual, and it is strongly against Jesus' spiritual teachings in all human matters and affairs.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Jesus is the opposite of Satan and Jehovah. That is PROFOUNDLY evident reading the Christian Bible, a very good history book of human/alien interactions and Jewish culture and traditions strongly influenced by Satan and Jehovah and other alien gods on Earth who interacted with human beings and who still are.

[-V-]

and within days after 30 out of 40 Republican Senators voted against the Jamie Leigh Jones bill giving a rape victim the right to sue her employer for allowing it to happen, another 35 out of 40 "good guys" have just voted against the Matthew Shepard bill, named for a gay Wyoming teenager who was kidnapped and beaten to death in 1998, which makes it a federal crime to assault someone on the basis of their sexual orientation or gender identity.

the good deeds just keep on coming

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/22/35-gop-senators-vote-agai_n_330376.html

[-V-]

3. ...Let me (once again) give you the scriptures from God on the subject of Homosexuality. Go to Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, and 1 Timothy 1:9-11. Look, I know the truth hurts, but I didn't say it. GOD DID!

NeoConJob, when someone ignores something ridiculous it is best to let it go rather than repeat it (once again)

Here are a few other ridiculous quotes from the Bible to go along with yours:

If a man [meets] a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her ... He must marry the girl ... He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
-- Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV) Translation: A woman must marry her rapist

"Have you allowed all the women to live?" he [Moses] asked them.... "Now ... kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
-- Numbers 31:1-18 (NIV) Translation: Virgin women are war booty

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son ... Then shall his father and his mother ... bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
-- Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (AV) Translation: Execute pain-in-the-ass kids

Thou shalt not kill -- Ten Commandments Translation: thou shalt not kill
(this one they got right in theory as well)

and there are plenty more highlights at http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bilenbwframe.htm


Jen doesn't know anything about the bible but to take things out of context and think she is right.

Jen has clearly studied the Bible in greater depth than you and fully addressed the issue you raise here:
http://progressivesonline.com/showthread.php?t=610

As for me, I believe the Bible contains the absolute worst writings of man and the absolute best writings of man. It is sad that you and others would pick and choose the worst part to align with, which contradicts those of your "Lord & Savior".

What kind of country would we live in today
if citizens picked and choosed which passages to follow
from THE CONSTITUTION
as freely as christians pick & choose
from THE BIBLE?

[Lionhearted]

Why do you leftists HATE Christians so much? It's the one group that can be lampooned, discriminated against and trivialized. All is fair when trying to destroy Christianity. How about the constant vilification of the Catholic Church by the Press and Hollywood at every turn? The NERVE of those crazy Evangelists professing their faith in public!

NEWSFLASH...CHRISTMAS IS FOR CHRISTIANS. Why would you care what we do "3 months before Christmas" if you're not a Christian? And you leftists profess to be TOLERANT and open minded? WHAT A JOKE!

Do you know what happens when a nation is devoid of faith? An example is the swill that was the Soviet Union. Read up on the Bolshevik treatment of the Russian Church and the peoples' total lack of humanity and utter indifference to each other as a result of it in the early Soviet regime. It's shocking.

I don't hate Christians at all. I feel I am tolerant. Yeah I know, more people in the history of the world have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason, but you have the freedom of religion in this country. There are many many buildings all over the country dedicated for Christians and others to worship at. All I desire is freedom from your religion for myself.

[Mr. Neo-Con]

NeoConJob, when someone ignores something ridiculous it is best to let it go rather than repeat it (once again)

Here are a few other ridiculous quotes from the Bible to go along with yours:

Translation: A woman must marry her rapist

Translation: Virgin women are war booty

Translation: Execute pain-in-the-ass kids

Translation: thou shalt not kill
(this one they got right in theory as well)

and there are plenty more highlights at http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bilenbwframe.htm




Jen has clearly studied the Bible in greater depth than you and fully addressed the issue you raise here:
http://progressivesonline.com/showthread.php?t=610

As for me, I believe the Bible contains the absolute worst writings of man and the absolute best writings of man. It is sad that you and others would pick and choose the worst part to align with, which contradicts those of your "Lord & Savior".

What kind of country would we live in today
if citizens picked and choosed which passages to follow
from THE CONSTITUTION
as freely as christians pick & choose
from THE BIBLE?



You are slipping V. You only dealt with a couple on the list of things we were talking about. WHY? Anyway, when I cite the scrpitures that deal with Homosexuality, don't get mad V and claim that they are ridiculous because you cannot respond to them. Now, I 'll ask again. Do you know the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament in regards to the following passages that you have used to counter my scriptures on Homosexuality? Look, V, if you don't know, just say so!

[-V-]

You are slipping V. You only dealt with a couple on the list of things we were talking about. WHY? Anyway, when I cite the scrpitures that deal with Homosexuality, don't get mad V and claim that they are ridiculous because you cannot respond to them. Now, I 'll ask again. Do you know the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament in regards to the following passages that you have used to counter my scriptures on Homosexuality? Look, V, if you don't know, just say so!

besides for the fact that a variety of mortal men with different agendas wrote them at different times and they have been further edited by other mortal men with their own agendas over the centuries, NO i do not know. and now i am very anxious to know because this is the 2nd time you said that, and you yourself have quoted from the old testament.

please do educate me on this bible thing of which you speak and why the destinction between the old and new testiment gives you license to pick and choose and hate and discriminate against your fellow man and the teachings of jesus, your lord and savior?

and why, exactly, is it that i am to believe:
"homosexuality IS an abomination"
but not that
"a woman must marry her rapist"?

[-V-]

still waiting, NeoCon?

why, exactly, is it that i am to believe:
"homosexuality IS an abomination" but not that "a woman must marry her rapist"?

[wwbd]

Conservitives in our bedrooms

Liberals in our wallets

Libertarians leave you alone
________
Buy glass pipes (http://glasspipes.net/)

[Tom's Fork]

Yeah, conservatives in the bedroom. Also in the classroom - see all the crap coming out of the Texas School Board lately?

There may actually be a modicum of truth in the conservative mantra that the educational system leans left. A moment's reflection will tell you why: We all want intelligent people teaching our children. "Is our children learning?" cries Bush. Apparently, not when he was in school. And what kind of intelligent person would take a low-paying job helping others, such as school teacher, nurse, or children's advocate? Liberals, of course. Conservatives are "all about me" and tend towards money-making jobs, such as banker. And here come the liberals into your pocket: If you want to get rid of the liberalism in school systems, raise the teachers pay to the point even conservatives get involved. But the conservatives won't let that happen - they don't even believe in public education, much less do they want to spend any kind of serious money in making it happen.

Liberals in your pocket - damn straight. But please remember that conservatives are just as bad, and even worse. It isn't liberals who push for corporate welfare and massive tax breaks for rich people. It isn't liberals who push for reductions in the capital gains tax, so that the hedge fund managers who brought you the current recession pay just 15% in taxes, while the guy whose small shop fixed your car last week is paying 35%. We could get rid of the deficit and show huge surpluses by just ending corporate welfare. Nothing else is needed!

The first corporate bail-out in our recent history was Chrysler in the late '70s. Remember why Prez Carter thought it was necessary? Chrysler was the one building the M-1 main battle tank, and Carter did not want to lose it. So he kept them afloat, just so they would continue building the M-1. This, unfortunately, has been seen by Wall Street as policy, rather than an exception to policy. And now, Wall Street, all those nice conservatives, believe in socialized risk and privatized profits. Remember the Resolution Trust Fund? Bush & Obama betwixt them spending three TRILLION dollars of your tax monies keeping these individuals rich.

There is a place for corporate bail-outs, and Carter got it exactly right. Peace through strength, Pax Americana! The dumbasses with all their junk bonds and subprime mortgages, no. Let 'em go broke. They are not my problem.

[Magi2]

.......and We SURE got an eyeful this week with Rand Paul telling US what libertarians are ALL about!
One very Dangerous FOOLISH JOKE!

:o
However, I'm with the libertarian belief of NOT wasting our tax money on WAR!
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[DebN]

Why the "good guy, bad guy" motif? Aren't we all supposed to be on the same team. Didn't we once have barn raisings and pity the people in steerage on the Titanic? Where has wealth or the search of it sent us? WW2 GIs came home to college. Vietnam vets never got a parade, but they got care bought and paid for by We the People. You don't like what We the People are doing, then change it. But the first step is to know the facts of what We the People are doing and why, not just what those who want your vote tell you.

[DebN]

Yeah, conservatives in the bedroom. Also in the classroom - see all the crap coming out of the Texas School Board lately?

There may actually be a modicum of truth in the conservative mantra that the educational system leans left. A moment's reflection will tell you why: We all want intelligent people teaching our children. "Is our children learning?" cries Bush. Apparently, not when he was in school. And what kind of intelligent person would take a low-paying job helping others, such as school teacher, nurse, or children's advocate? Liberals, of course. Conservatives are "all about me" and tend towards money-making jobs, such as banker. And here come the liberals into your pocket: If you want to get rid of the liberalism in school systems, raise the teachers pay to the point even conservatives get involved. But the conservatives won't let that happen - they don't even believe in public education, much less do they want to spend any kind of serious money in making it happen.

Liberals in your pocket - damn straight. But please remember that conservatives are just as bad, and even worse. It isn't liberals who push for corporate welfare and massive tax breaks for rich people. It isn't liberals who push for reductions in the capital gains tax, so that the hedge fund managers who brought you the current recession pay just 15% in taxes, while the guy whose small shop fixed your car last week is paying 35%. We could get rid of the deficit and show huge surpluses by just ending corporate welfare. Nothing else is needed!

The first corporate bail-out in our recent history was Chrysler in the late '70s. Remember why Prez Carter thought it was necessary? Chrysler was the one building the M-1 main battle tank, and Carter did not want to lose it. So he kept them afloat, just so they would continue building the M-1. This, unfortunately, has been seen by Wall Street as policy, rather than an exception to policy. And now, Wall Street, all those nice conservatives, believe in socialized risk and privatized profits. Remember the Resolution Trust Fund? Bush & Obama betwixt them spending three TRILLION dollars of your tax monies keeping these individuals rich.

There is a place for corporate bail-outs, and Carter got it exactly right. Peace through strength, Pax Americana! The dumbasses with all their junk bonds and subprime mortgages, no. Let 'em go broke. They are not my problem.
Tom, have you taken your meds? They do help. I quit the Repug party in 1984 because of Reagan's policies. Goldwater had problems with them. I have since covered (as a reporter) school boards and my mother's house has burned down, almost with my my mother in it. And I'm supposed to vote for people who apparently find no value in these mutually paid for services?

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Tom, have you taken your meds? They do help. I quit the Repug party in 1984 because of Reagan's policies. Goldwater had problems with them. I have since covered (as a reporter) school boards and my mother's house has burned down, almost with my my mother in it. And I'm supposed to vote for people who apparently find no value in these mutually paid for services?

Hi Deb, welcome to POL.

I am not quite sure what you mean, have I taken my meds? The answer is yes, I have: a prescription NSAID for the arthritis in me ancient knees, and some crap s'posed to help me quit smoking (excuse me for a moment, I wanna go have a cigarette - be right back). Only meds I take. I do thank you for worrying about my knees....

You say you quit the Republicans over Reagan's policies? I am interested, and would enjoy hearing which policies annoyed you.

I am the one here at POL most likely to scream about a return to the Keynesian economics that make America the envy of the world, and ditching the failed laissez-faire policies Reagan foisted upon us. Okay, Reagan's supply-side economics was just what George H.W. Bush said they were: "voo-doo economics." Even the most ardent Reaganite today doesn't talk about supply-side any more. But instead of returning us to Keynesian economics, or some other form of "Goldilocks" economics, G.H.W. Bush, and especially Clinton, turned us to another form of laissez-faire, monetarism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetarism). It has failed too, and I left the Democratic Party in 1998 over this.

Keynesianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesianism) is indeed the Goldilocks solution: Not too much government control of the economy - think fascism & communism - and not too little, as we get with laissez-faire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire).

Too much government control strangles an economy. Just look around the Soviet Union...oh, right. No more Soviet Union.

Too little government control leads to such as the current economic collapse in the United States. Don't you wish someone was out there monitoring just who the banksters were giving home loans to? Don't you wish someone was doing something about why General Electric's effective tax rate for the last decade was only 2.3%? (http://ctj.org/taxjusticedigest/archive/2012/02/press_release_general_electric.php)

You say you are, or have been, a reporter. Tell me, was it a local paper or broadcast station? If it was, is your company paying only 2.3%? How about the mechanic who fixed your car last week - is he paying 2.3% on his small business? Is the farmer who grew the apples in your fridge paying 2.3%? This is what laissez-faire has brought us: The rich pay less and get more, the working man and middle class pay more and get less.

And in paying more in taxes, much of which gets wasted as corporate welfare, you the small businessman (assuming you are a small businessman. Or at least, the mechanic who fixed your car and the farmer who grew your apples) have less to spend. This takes money out of the system, which causes economic collapse. Meanwhile, the one-percenters and the corporations are putting their ever increasing wealth in off-shore tax shelters, which takes more money out of the system, which causes economic collapse.

Welcome to 2012, the Great Depression II.