[gratelady1]

Ever just wanted to get even with those at the center of propoganda and media control? and have some fun in the procoess? example- Today Foxs news "FNC" on cable, ran the story of a man who spit a wad of tobbacco on Jane Fonda, during a book signing. The problem was they were the only ones reporting it-insistantly and over and over. The way it was reported- seemed to glorify the act, and the "commentators", who seem to have an opinion on everything, did not qualify an opion on this issue, just reported as normal news. This is basic propoganda, in the sense that it encourages this type of behavior, without a dissenting opinion- basically the premise is- you get your 15 minutes of fame (in this case- your name on the news= fame) if you conduct yourself in such behavior. The net effect is to control any and all dissent and discourse. I can only suggest that to control FNC, is to boycott the channel and all the sponsors who promote on that channel. FNC passes itself as news, when in fact in the morning, it is nothing more than pettiful editorial and commentary. I know I dont have to watch, but I did, if for no other reason to monitor "the extreme conservative rights'" control on media and to see who is bankrolling the broadcast. I know for a fact that the only thing conservatives fear and dont support, is boycotts, they known the impact that it serves, and the fear of boycott is enough to sway their behavior. I ask you, my co-bloggers, to e-mail those who would support anti-American behavior (quashing freedom of speech) and these are some of the sponsors I noted in just one commerical break- Foxnews.com, Pepcid complete, Geico.com, Actonel, General Steel corp. If we all e-mail these folks at least 1 time a day, they might just pull the plug on Fox.

I will make a pact with you all who read this post- if you support this boycott, I will give you equal time to support your protest or boycotts. I can not promise any more than that, but I can fulfill this pormise.

[joepol4]

hello fellow progressives (and others):

i don't think i can make this conference in 05 but from what i have heard it's a great way to make an impact on the way journalism is reported in our country and at the same time get better educated on the nuances of the media

http://www.freepress.net/conference/

[gratelady1]

great post joe

[mikeike]

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/nation/11468957.htm

This maybe worth looking at.

[JamesP]

Wow!
So now even PBS is being forced to broadcast it's share of right-wing propoganda.
They really do own everything.
This is what we asked for when we voted to place the Republicans in control of the Presidency and both Houses of Congress.

[mikeike]

James
It appears to be true. I wonder where I will get my news now?

[gratelady1]

So have you contacted any of the sponsors of Fox News? And if so what was their response?

[The Whig]

Why do you support a woman who inherited fame, blathered like an idiot, and was too weak to leave the people she opposed?

Not that the guy who spit at her is any better, being a nationalist, although you and most americans seem look at that as some type of perverted virtue.

[gratelady1]

I dont support any woman, anywhere, for anything, But I do say that Jane Fonda saved more American lives than any politician at the time and that you could ever claim to do. She helped end the Veitnam War- not start it, she and those like her at the time, bought the senseless inhumainty to it's knees and there are those who served at the time, that did come home, alive and in one-piece, and not addicted, that to this day, have never thanked her for her bravery. My brothers came back affected and I missed serving by days, And we all thank her from the bottom of our hearts. Those that dont have a broader view, follow the maniacal blabbering of politicians, who for all these years have blamed her and those like her for ending the war, because they lost money. Those same folks are the ones profiting from war today.

[The Whig]

I personally have no problem with her doing this. Supporting Vietnam against America was probably the right thing to do at the time. What I do have a problem with is her going over to Vietnam, supporting them explicitly and then returning to a country she deeply and publicly worked against and supported the enemy of so she could retrieve the riches and connections she had inherited. In other words she got it both ways.

http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

I dont support any woman, anywhere, for anything, But I do say that Jane Fonda saved more American lives than any politician at the time and that you could ever claim to do. She helped end the Veitnam War- not start it, she and those like her at the time, bought the senseless inhumainty to it's knees and there are those who served at the time, that did come home, alive and in one-piece, and not addicted, that to this day, have never thanked her for her bravery. My brothers came back affected and I missed serving by days, And we all thank her from the bottom of our hearts. Those that dont have a broader view, follow the maniacal blabbering of politicians, who for all these years have blamed her and those like her for ending the war, because they lost money. Those same folks are the ones profiting from war today.

[gratelady1]

Did it help end the war? If it did, then she should be honored and praised. If it did not, then everything she did back then was inept, and mute, and thus your arguement lacks credibility in either case. You cant have it both ways like her, she had the power, charisma and popularity- thus I say- all she did back then, helped end the war and that saved U.S. military lives- Yes or No?

[The Whig]

Did it help end the war? If it did, then she should be honored and praised. If it did not, then everything she did back then was inept, and mute, and thus your arguement lacks credibility in either case. You cant have it both ways like her, she had the power, charisma and popularity- thus I say- all she did back then, helped end the war and that saved U.S. military lives- Yes or No?

If by improving the morale of the North Vietnamese you mean she helped end the war then yes I guess. However she did this by helping the North Vietnamese kill more Americans. Like I said, I don't especially have a problem with this, as long as you contend she was saving Vietnamese lives (I don't really see anybody who came out ahead in this war, so total body count is what we should care about). What I do have a problem with is her throwing in her lot with Vietnam and then going back to the people she helped kill.

Think of it this way, if I play football for the 49ers and hope that the Steelers win it would be totally acceptable for me to ask for a trade, force a trade, ect. What would not be acceptable is for me to show up in my 49ers uniform, help the Steelers and then return to the 49ers expecting my paycheck. (and not to get spit on)

[gratelady1]

Let me ask you this, if she was guilty of all that you claim, why was she not prosecuted?

[The Whig]

I didn't say she was guilty of a crime, I said she was not worthy of praise.

As for why nobody charged her with treason or whatever else.....


Peter Fonda's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$

[gratelady1]

So, you did not say she was guilty of a crime, are you then saying she was not guilty of any type of treason?

[gratelady1]

This brings to a conclusion any thoughts about treason during the Vietnam war, you see, there was no actual Vietnam war- it was more like a police action, as in Iraq today. Back then, it just started out as something minor- Our government trying to stop the expansion of a true democracy- Think how horrible it would be if the entire world voted that for every goat you raised, you would have to turn over 2 goats to the country that provided for your existance and prosperity- OH MY GOD! WHAT Fricken NIGHTMARE!!! anyway faced with stupidity of the realization of the Media and ever minimizing of the world by technology- the leaders at the time found themselves in a pickle when the populace- said the hell with this crap! and showed that if they were going to die, it was going to be on this soil, fighting for control of this country and the hell with nation building. This is the sort of feelings that come around when all lost of hope is reached by the youngsters who have to reach a decision on whether to serve and possibly die for a cause they dont believe in, or divert that attention to a more local pressing matter, Like getting rid of traditional old ways of thinking and bringing in new belief structures. Thus why there can be no draft. Unless of cource the whole world tires of our crap and decide to treat us as the arogant tirants we are and decide to unite and take us out- dont think it can happen? Well Adoplh, Suddam, and Mussilini didnt either.

[The Whig]

So, you did not say she was guilty of a crime, are you then saying she was not guilty of any type of treason?

I personally don't think she's a criminal, a douche yes, a criminal no. However I think she would have been prosecuted if not for the size of Peter Fonda's bank account.

[gratelady1]

So now you are saying that the people responsible for the prosecution of U.S. laws were guilty of accepting bribes?

[gratelady1]

Today in the news, a report came out about a theater owner in Kentucy who put signs outside his theater that basically said something to the effect, that he would not be showing "Monster-in-Law", due to the fact that Jane Fonda was in the film and because for her "criminalization of U.S. Troops during the Vietnam War". I think this re-supports my arguement- that the first person to attack is the loudest voice of your political opposition.

I have a few questions, did the Vietnam War really happen? Were we there legally? or illegally? Who sent our troops there? Why is it more important to go after the finger pointer, versus the criminals actually doing a crime? Why would it seem to these fellows, who can still be found in the fabric of our nation, that there is honor in murder of innocents? Why are ignorants like this theater owner, allowed to own theaters and will their power in our society? OH yes "Freedom".

How many years has it been since that conflict? 30 plus and still there are those that feel they have some pay-back coming, for how wronged they were, back then. First spitting, then boycotts, whats next? Hatred and festering mal-content will always retard progression. The U.S. badge of honor has been tainted many times before by our own arrogance and greed, why should the Vietnam War be so special?

What kind of message is this person sending the rest of the world- and mainly his own children (I am assuming someone- or something would procreate with him). Imagine him and his son walking down a alley-way and someone has the nerve to yell for help, because that same theater owners' daughter is being raped and pillaged, and subsequently murdered, instead of going after the rapist, the theater owner goes after the person yelling for help- because the rapist was a U.S. soldier- twisted!

Anyone know this theater, or the person that owns the theater? I should would like to meet him and study him! If we could find out what went wrong with this guy, we might yet find a way to save the U.S..

[gratelady1]

Today in the news, a report came out about a theater owner in Kentucy who put signs outside his theater that basically said something to the effect, that he would not be showing "Monster-in-Law", due to the fact that Jane Fonda was in the film and because for her "criminalization of U.S. Troops during the Vietnam War". I think this re-supports my arguement- that the first person to attack is the loudest voice of your political opposition.

I have a few questions, did the Vietnam War really happen? Were we there legally? or illegally? Who sent our troops there? Why is it more important to go after the finger pointer, versus the criminals actually doing a crime? Why would it seem to these fellows, who can still be found in the fabric of our nation, that there is honor in murder of innocents? Why are ignorants like this theater owner, allowed to own theaters and will their power in our society? OH yes "Freedom".

How many years has it been since that conflict? 30 plus and still there are those that feel they have some pay-back coming, for how wronged they were, back then. First spitting, then boycotts, whats next? Hatred and festering mal-content will always retard progression. The U.S. badge of honor has been tainted many times before by our own arrogance and greed, why should the Vietnam War be so special?

What kind of message is this person sending the rest of the world- and mainly his own children (I am assuming someone- or something would procreate with him). Imagine him and his son walking down a alley-way and someone has the nerve to yell for help, because that same theater owners' daughter is being raped and pillaged, and subsequently murdered, instead of going after the rapist, the theater owner goes after the person yelling for help- because the rapist was a U.S. soldier- twisted!

Anyone know this theater, or the person that owns the theater? I should would like to meet him and study him! If we could find out what went wrong with this guy, we might yet find a way to save the U.S..

Update; I just saw monster-in-law, I guess the theater owner was doing the right thing only for the wrong reason!