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-V-
05/03/05, 01:53 pm
Progressives need to take the following news story much more seriously because more religion and less science in our schools is part of the conservative incubation process that eventually spits out short sighted, self-serving George W's into the world.

TOPEKA, Kan (Reuters) - Evolution is going on trial in Kansas.

Eighty years after a famed courtroom battle in Tennessee pitted religious beliefs about the origins of life against the theories of British scientist Charles Darwin, Kansas is holding its own hearings on what school children should be taught about how life on Earth began.

The Kansas Board of Education has scheduled six days of courtroom-style hearings to begin on Thursday in the capitol Topeka. More than two dozen witnesses will give testimony and be subject to cross-examination, with the majority expected to argue against teaching evolution.

Many prominent U.S. scientific groups have denounced the debate as founded on fallacy and have promised to boycott the hearings, which opponents say are part of a larger nationwide effort by religious interests to gain control over government...

Full Story: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&e=6&u=/nm/20050502/sc_nm/life_evolution_dc

I believe the seed of conservative/Republican philosophy is planted by the notion that we started out as distinct, privileged beings (Adam and Eve, a king and a queen). Children often come to believe that this superiority/hierarchy/entitlement can be extended to races, genders, religions, species, nations, etc.. Ironically, this blockheaded position categorizes them as one of the Neanderthals that they refuse to acknowledge ever existed.

These Neanderthals fear the adjustments, dare I say sacrifices and shared responsiblity, society might be obliged to take if all living things on earth were connected on a more profoundly integrated level.

If the Kansas Board of Education has it's way, their little Dorothy's will not be in Kansas anymore. They will all be living in the mystical world of Oz where the all powerful creator breathes fire and smoke from behind a curtain of religious doctrine. Of course, if they were to let their children peak behind the curtain they would not see the all-knowing Oz but a flawed, disingenuous little man who looked a lot like Jerry Falwell or their local Congressman.

If the religious right has its way, dinosaurs and half-man half-monkey creatures will be designated as "those of which we will not speak" (like in the recent movie The Village). What is it that they are afraid of if their children were to venture out into the vast forest of truth and enlightenment?

"Lions and tigers and bears, OH MY!" :eek:

Michael DeM
06/01/05, 04:07 pm
I don't really see anything wrong with teaching creationism along with evolution in public schools. As long as we still don't know the origin of life, we should consider different theories as long as they're not too unreasonable. Personally, as a Christian, I'm not going to rule out either theory.

-V-
06/01/05, 11:13 pm
it's fine to teach creationism but not in a science class. I believe students should be required to take a World Religion or theology class covering the most popular religious philosophies and theories.

Still Learning
10/07/05, 07:57 pm
Just how scientific is science?

Not posted online yet, but in print in the October, 2005 issue of Harper's Magazine, in Harper's Index. "Chance that a medical study may be inaccurate or misleading, according to the AMA's journal: 1 in 3."

-V-
10/07/05, 09:15 pm
and the chance that the stories in the Old Testament, such as Adam and Eve, Jonah and the Whale, Noah's Arc, etc.. are constructs of mortal man's imagination rather than the word of God -- 100%.

Michael DeM
06/29/06, 02:29 pm
Okay, -V-, you win on this one. It doesn't really make sense to teach creationism alongside evolution in science classes. The reality is that creationism and Intelligent Design theory don't have any evidence backing up their claims. Evolution does. The creationists rely more on looking for any flaws they can find in evolution rather than presenting any real scientific data to support their hypothoses. It's one thing for people to have their own beliefs with regard to how we got here, but creationism shouldn't be treated as science, especially if it has little or no evidence supporting it.

cat's meow
06/29/06, 06:39 pm
it's fine to teach creationism but not in a science class. I believe students should be required to take a World Religion or theology class covering the most popular religious philosophies and theories.

Absolutely...my best and most well informed students have studied religion and know what the hell they are talking about. Those people are our best young thinkers.

The Dover case will get brought up in Kansas and then they will have wasted thier time once again...tsk tsk. You do know that the latest Dover case decision was written by a CONSERVATIVE BUSH APPOINTED judge? Hmmm...that was not supposed to happen. Damn...I think that log they just tripped over has the word "LOGIC" written on it. THose activist judges...I oughta...

What does the term "activist judge" mean? Is it like "conservative" (they are not conserving anything)? oxymorons? Like "Jumbo Shrimp" or something...? I thought judges were supposed to ACTIVELY protect, make, and interpret the law for an evolving population/country. I have always thought Harry Blackmun is one of our very best when it came to this and he was NIXON'S 3rd pick for that appointment (jokingly called himself 'ol' #3', real dry wit, what a guy). I love Blackmun's writings on abortion rights, religious rights (the subject you talk about), and civil rights; we moved forward a lot with that guy on the Supreme Court (we miss him...). He CHANGED when realizing he had to make rulings for ALL Americans, one of our greatest American thinkers along with T. Marshall. Both are great heroes of mine. Ginzberg is getting up there on my list.

Babble on...related a bit....

I am in total agreement with my girlfriend (scientist, pathologist) that if we had 50% females on all courts a lot of this crap would be cleared up in a heart beat. Yeah, you would get some conservative ones but I think she is right about this.

Let us see how much time they waste in Kansas, they have better things to think about really.

You did see the Supreme Court ruling today against the Bushanostra regarding war trials? (Bush should be put on trial BTW)