[gratelady1]

On another thread I had suggested that we could break up the Bush-Saudi marriage, and of course no one seemed to care and or give it much attention. Today news reports from the Middle East reveal that 61% of the killed suicide bombers/insurgents were Saudis- any wonder why folks would continue to believe we should not demand that our congressmen/women and Senators, begin demanding of the Executive branch, that at the least, there should be an investigation, emplementation and execution of the overthrow of the single common denominator behind all Jihad funding, support and personnel provider- Saudi Arabia!

How many folks will have to die and how long will the Bush Administration continue to give the Saudis a pass- even from basic investigation.

For decades now the war on terror has developed from the shadows of groups who are always linked back to the Saudis- this goes beyond Bin-Laden and his family ties to the Saudi royals. And yet no authoritative agency has been given the go ahead to pursue a non-controled investigation. The last we are told is "there is no evidence of any Saudi involvement"- Of course an agency should actually go out and look for evidence, as opposed to just looking on top of their desk and declaring the case closed.

If this forum could be the launching pad for a fierce call to action of our elected officials, maybe other groups may follow suit, and then we might actually get the true insidous criminal element, behind all our deaths from terrorist.

[-V-]

the "Bush-Saudi marriage" was well documented in Michael Moore's major theatrical realease but you can't do anything about it when the rest of the media won't sink their teeth into it and the Republican congress looks the other way.

The first step is taking back the Congress next election.

[gratelady1]

-V-, are you then concluding that to promote a anti-Saudi atmospere is basically a waste of time? To demand of our elected officials to protect us from our obvious enemys is a waste of time? To bring attention and then a concensus, is a waste of time? You say "we cant do anything about the Saudi-Bush marriage"- will you stand behind that statement?

[-V-]

no, no, no, no,
and no.

[gratelady1]

So we can agree then that the Saudi Leadership sucks and we should do what we can to take them out, while we still have the perfect opportunity (and within range), and the end result will be freedom for all Saudis, oil for everyone, and finally some payback!

[JamesP]

Grate - instead, could we do now what we should have done in the 1st place?
- Pay for oil on the "free market" (and use less of it in the process).
- Stop "taking people out" - it only means that eventually they retaliate and "take some of us out" and then we go 'round and round' again.
- Invest at home in "homeland security" and the well being of the American people
- Save millions of lives at home and abroad by declaring war on cancer, aids & poverty.
- No longer put our military at the disposal of oil companies & corporate interests.
- Go back to being the "good guys" in the world and thus diminish the numbers of our enemies.
- Leave Saudi Arabia to the Saudi Arabians.
- Tie aid to Israel to an end to human rights abuses of the Palestinians.

[gratelady1]

So do you believe that there is a way to change the results of the Bush administration's last 5 years? I think we have already become the Evil Emperical entity on this rock and that it is too late to wish we could ever be seen by anyone in the Middle East as "the good guys". You are living an ideal and not in real time reality.

Just after the outbreak of the Korean War, McArthur asked for permission to build an atomic bomb on Russian soil, and take out the Soviets- he was fired for his tactical genius, and his ideal was later was proven sound (the Vietnam war), and the Korean conflict is still to be resolved. This is the result of politcal correctness in the face of inablity to anticipate the end result of a decision. If we were to poll the thousands of U.S. servicemen dead in heaven at this time, I wonder what they would say about Trumans' decision.

We have tactical advantage in the Middle east at this time, if somehow you could find the way to get past your moral convictions and see the bigger picture and learn from past experiences, you may learn that we have lost the political war in the Middle East and can never get it back- there is no way to be politically correct over there-anymore. But we can exert a strategy where the Saudis could be made to hate GWB in particular, and will take him out of our misery for us, and we could gain a new leadership based on new ideals. We want and can get control and we expect them to be in control as well- they dont have to love us, but they must repect us.

I have already stated that we dont have to really go to war with the Saudis, we just have to show a united concensus that we could be passionately capable of it, this would trigger a snowball effect of the physical elemination of popus and will then free of us of the main idiot keeping us from realizing a stable environment in the Middle East.

[gratelady1]

Huh... please note we have still not taken out the Saudis, and still have not killed a single Saudi citizen, and the score is like 6000 plus U.S. lives to 23 Saudis (known insurgents and terrorist), and we still have yet to get some payback......, WHat is Saudis sooo powerful and strong that this little country cant take them on?

[gratelady1]

Ike, JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush.....
What do they all have in common?

I was alive through these ten Presidents- each proported to be the elite of the elite, unique and supposedly highly qualified to run this country- each, took an oath to defend and protect this country and the constitution, but why would they not go after any country specifically linked to an event such as the 9-11 event.

Saudi Arabia deserves our unique brand of justice, and we are in position to take them out in less than 12 hours, but will we ever do it?

I could only dream....

[gratelady1]

Tonight on "The factor" with Bill O-Reilly, Defense Sec. Dumbsfeld, was interviewed by Bill, and Bill had 10 big questions for the SOB and I thought Bill did a good job, pressing the Sec. for answers, many "Anti-war folks have been asking, and Dumbsfeld was his usual defensive self and really did not answer a single question to anyones satisfaction.

The main one I liked, was "how was Saddam and Iraq an immediate threat",
Dumbsfeld squirmed like a snail on this one and reiterated his same arguements, "that there was WMDs and a link to Al Queda, and that Saddam was paying 25,000 dollars to families of suicide attackers"- Bill pressed him on the suicide attackers, and said "yeah but they were attacking Israel- not us"- Dumbsfeld- returned with "No they were attacking everywhere"- This is a direct lie, and I dont think the Secretary of Defense should be allowed to do this on any program and should be denounced by all serving elected officials- but like I said before- its what you dont hear, that tells you who is serving who.

When reminded that "Iran is a greater threat, than Iraq could ever had hoped to be- and how could he address that criticism?" Dumbsfeld, spinned "well we are not threatened by Iran at this time"- Huh- Ok take your skull out of you pelvis area and let some O2 into your cerebrum- you stupid Nazi, fascist, no Brain troll!! Before it's too late- Lets take out Iran and Saudi Arabia why we still can!