[snowdog]

:D LOL, well looks like the GWB admin is FINALLY coming out swinging
back, pointing out all the Dems Including Fat man Kennedy, The idiot Kerry,
and even that dip, Dennis Kucinish. had agreed that they all felt that Saddam
had WMD's and that Saddam was or will be a threat !!! Dems come back with
"But GWB had more access to intelligence than the congress" Hummm, well
Mr. Clinton had the same access ass GWB... and in 98 did he not say that
Saddam had wmd's Ibelieve Mr. Clinton even talked about a regime change.
For those of you that don't know....Bill Clinton was a 2 term President, prior
to GWB .

[-V-]

(I'll repeat my answer to that line of weaseling)

I don't give a shit who or what anyone else "believed" about Iraq. If Clinton was in charge, I'd want him FIRED!. If it was Kerry, Ted Kennedy, FIRED!

I want the job of the person IN CHARGE! The #1 salesperson who promoted this war. The person who ordered our soldiers to march and the bombs to fly.

If Bush was on The Apprentice, Trump would cut him off 10 seconds into his excuses and say, "George, it was your decision to make. YOUR FIRED!"

The families of 2,000 American soldiers and 100,000 Iraq citizens are owed more but definitely nothing less.

If this thread applauded the Republicans for taking a stand on Iraq by demanding accountabilty that would mean something. Weaseling around the issue and saying "but they were wrong too" is the opposite of taking a stand.

[-V-]

Are the families and Soldiers fighting in Iraq also supposed to be accused
of murdering thousands of innocents?
Families? Are you high? Soldiers? You were trained to follow orders without question. He who gives the order is accountable by our law and international law.

where is that in any fashion supporting the troops?
Supporting the troops is bringing them home by demanding the truth. Their job is to follow orders without question and our job is to question orders without exception. It is our pursuit of the truth that keeps this country free, that supports our troops, and that serves our country and its citizens.

The truth that serves them now is that this war was initiated on false premises, is unwinnable and their lives are more important than a President's pride.

Anyone who denies the truth that will save their lives at this stage of the war is a traitor to them and this country.

This thread is entitled, "Republicans take a stand in Iraq!". Some have started. Many will follow. And, inevitably, this nightmare will be behind us and we can go back to serving the best interests of our citizens and restoring our dignity in the world.

[snowdog]

AND..........you spent how many years in the Military there-V-man.

Aren't you the same one who wanted to give HAUS the Medal of Honor
because he didn't want to participate in rendering honors?

Some of your post are pretty darn good there tin..... but please I would
suggest that you don't comment on the military until you know something
about it. Your statement about soldiers following orders is completely off
the mark. Suggest you research it a bit. I distincly remember Haus mentioning
that he got in no trouble when he told his CO that he didn't want to be a
part of the renedering honors. It is ILLEGAL and punishible for a servicemember
to knowlingly carry out an order that he/she knows is illegal. There, that should
get you started.


and for the record.... DO YOU BELIEVE THAT OUR SOLDIERS, SAILORS, MARINES, COAST GUARDSMEN AND AIRMEN ARE MURDERERS? I WOULD REALLY LIKE YOUR
ANSWER. YEA......YOU KNOW ITS COMING BACK UP!

[snowdog]

I have asked this question twice now... with no responce.

Everyone here seems to yell out how much they support the troops, yet
about everyone also says that our troops are killing thousands of innocent
IRAQI civialians.......

So.. DO YOU FEEL THAT OUR US MILITARY MEMBERS FIGHTING IN IRAQ
ARE MURDERERS?

[snowdog]

umm.... funny, over half the posters on this forum claim the US is
"murdering" thousands of innocent Iraqi people, Yet when I ask If
they feel that our service members are murderers.....NO RESPONCE.

So I would suggest that if you can't back up what you are saying.
then shut the hell up!

[MAGI]

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20051118073209990006&ncid=NWS00010000000001

a cut from the above article.........


"White House Fires Back"



"AP" "It is baffling that [Rep. Murtha] is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic party. The eve of an historic democratic election in Iraq is not the time to surrender to the terrorists."
-- Scott McClellan, White House press secretary"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


"Reuters"I like guys who've never been there that criticize us who've been there... I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and send people to war, and then don't like to hear suggestions about what needs to be done."
-- Rep. John Murtha, refering to Vice President Cheney's Vietnam War deferments"


See The Light

[-V-]

If you already "asked this question twice with no responce" don't ask thrice. Either your point is so profound no one could think of anything to say or no one thought it was worthy of a response. Personally, I thought it was unworthy, unless we want to get into a deep philisophical, though general discussion on "how responsible is the individual soldier for carrying out potentially unethical orders" and deliberate over the sentence handed to the soldiers who obeyed the Code Red orders from Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men". Regardless, I responded to your question yesterday:

Read what people have already written and respond there or people might discontinue wasting their time responding to you at all.

You want the truth? I suspect your problem may be:
"You can't handle the truth!" ;)

[littlebigman]

or any 'troopz' of violence 4 that matter...
jeezUS feelz shame for the pain and hate they choose 2 do...
jeezUS feelz compation 4 them n there choices of confusion and disconnect which only leaves them also the victimz of themselves...
jeezUS iz not surprized by the masterz of war and the orders they giv and y$ they do... it brakez jeezUS'z hart...
but when the troopz fallow the orderz and the tax pay'n$ pps r proud,
jezUS's hart iz broken and burried...
liv by the bombz and die by them iz what has been 4told 2 u and urz by so many...when will u even hear that much 2 save ur own skin..?
u wont, bcuz the truth iz that 2 save ur own skin u must 1st know that the skinz ur pay'n 4 to b murderd every minute of every day and n places the world over, iz ur skin...u and the 1s u kill r 1...
'troopz' that hav done killing on the ground know best that with each kill they hav killed a part of themselves...
u tax pay'n pps should know that everyday u awaken and rush off 2 join n 2 the system 4 ur 'survival'{puke}$, u r also killing otherz and urself b u left right or none of the above...
jeezUS knowz the 'troopz' r the most at blame...
jeezUS knowz the 'troopz' = evil personified...
jeezUS cries 4 them and the 1s they destroy along with themselves...
itz all on the troopz, they r the hammer of death destruction suffer'n and hell...
no matter what army u work 4, if u r a soldier of violence u hav made ur choices and continue 2 every day... it can b no1 elses responsibility 2 stop u other than ur own...
jeezUS cries and hopes 4 u 2 choose luv and walk away from ur satanic duties...

[-V-]

lbm, while your passion against the evil that men do is very admirable your logic (and english) is atrocious.

I'm not down with broad generalizations or discriminations in any form. There are bad men in every occupation.

Some soldiers kill babies and innocent civilians, and others (like my father) killed Germans bent on toasting Jews and taking over the world. Some cops put their lives on the line to protect their community, some put 49 shots into a black kid because they think they saw a gun.

I suggest concentrating on bringing every criminal to justice regardless of their country, stature, uniform, or profession but leaving the namecalling to bigots. The task at hand is to redefine our soldiers jobs by, in part, re-selecting our/their leaders.

Thank you for at least applying half of the english language to this post. That means that I read half of your post until I stopped. If that is the percentage of english in your prior posts that means we will probably keep half of them longer than a week or two before they are purged.

That is a shame because you have many original, interesting things to say. But I am sure I am not alone in refusing to work that hard to read them and I'm sure it is probably turning readers off to some entire threads.

personally, i dont* give a rats ass about speling or punctuation! but this (not dis**) is an english forum/site. we dont publish Hungarian posts so it is hard justifying publishing whatever language it is that you have created

**dis could mean "this" or could be short for disrespect. *dont without the ' is lazy but not confusing.

[littlebigman]

u speak of generalazationz -V-...iz it not a general truth that pps n the usa military hav all chozen 2 b there and do each individualy chooze from minute 2 minute and day 2 day wether or not 2 fallow orders or giv them etc...?

[-V-]

-V- how can u expect 2 do the work of peace if u dont hav the time or wil to put forth the effort 2 fully understand that which seemz different from u...?

my heart and mind are open to your ideas but if, when you say i am closed to "that which seemz different" you mean closed to writers who spell "seems" with a z even though it took just as much time to type the z as it would an s, then you are correct. hear me now, believe me now...

you are unique enough in your mind and spirit to make your mark on this forum with your ideas. drop the "z". you dont need it

great peacemakers throughout history have been great communicators. if you dont have the time to put forth coherent sentences then i dont have time to read them. there are more important things to accomplish on this forum and in this world than play syntactic games that require one of those decoder rings that got caught in my teeth when i was a kid eating my "lucky charms"

consider what might have happended if martin luther king began his speech with

"i gotz a dreamz..."

white america would have dismissed him as just a dumb **** better suited to emptying the trash pales in their office than leading a social revolution

fight the power,
rage against the machine,
bust out of the matrix
but leave the language alone
it connects
it inspires
it is the way the words and sentences are put together
not the letterz

peace out:
:fightthepower:

[snowdog]

Thank you -V- !! :) I am sure LBL probably has some really
good points, but they are lost in translation.

[littlebigman]

-V-:fight the power,
rage against the machine,
bust out of the matrix
but leave the language alone
it connects
it inspires
it is the way the words and sentences are put together
not the letterz

peace out:
:fightthepower:

ur language fortifies the matrix -V-...

ur language setz the very 1st seperatist peramiterz 4 the toxic box were all trapped n...


my heart and mind are open to your ideas but if, when you say i am closed to "that which seemz different" you mean closed to writers who spell "seems" with a z even though it took just as much time to type the z as it would an s, then you are correct. hear me now, believe me now...

you are unique enough in your mind and spirit to make your mark on this forum with your ideas. drop the "z". you dont need it

oh my darln metalmess, i often use the 's' inadvertantly out of habit train'n and must take extra time 2 stop and change it 2 a z:eek:

"consider what might have happended if martin luther king began his speech with "i gotz a dreamz..." "

well then im mighty thankfull that he was him and that i am me...but what that hey, himz and mez will alwayz b born on the same day of the month of jan, i drew 1st air on jan 15, 1964' im the new age baby newyear -V-:sunny:

"one of those decoder rings that got caught in my teeth when i was a kid eating my "lucky charms""

im sory u didnt hang on 2 ur ring and 2 the spirit of that lilguy who made it real cuz daz zactly what u and sd and the like r miss'n n u that would make all the difference n the world... u when u were a kid...

u and sd r void of what still exists n me and bcuz of it u will argue on and on 4ever that -V- and sd r 'right'{or left} while the world burnz arNd u...
there r thins u hav learned that i need 2 survive as well...
diversity iz the key ingrediant at the foundation of survival...
U MUST TAKE TIME 2 know and understand me no matter what or we will all parish n an unatural demise this life...
thaz what peace iz -V-..itz about not just tollerance, itz about understanding inclusion effort and unconditional luv...specialy 2 that wich u fear or sumhow feel iz beneeth u and a waste of ur time...u r not superior 2 any1 or anythin so stop act'n like it... we r equal n the spark of life and n there we r 1...
unless u find the lilchild inside urself agin and know that ur energy iz connected 2 all, even 2 me, we wont get through the cum'n timez az well as we could hav 4sure...
hey sd wanna play sum catch!!!

[JamesP]

I agree with the LilBigMan on his basic premise.

The philosophies of Jesus do not condone killing of any kind:
whether sanctioned & paid by "the state",
ordered by some politician or religious leader,
to protect one's interest or one's country's interests,
or because we think of the one to be killed as "bad" or "evil".

What part of "thou shalt not kill" is so difficult to understand?
What part of "love thy brother as thyself" can be stretched to justify killing him?

Those who choose to kill -for any reason- do so at the peril of their immortal soul.

It is not too much to ask that we get through our short lives on earth without taking the life of another.

[littlebigman]

n my humble and unqualified estamation jp just posted the most righteous and relavent thought of the century:thumbup:
j ur a giant peach 4sure:sunny:

[-V-]

thank you jimmy p for taking (what we can only assume to be, through the jibberish) the essence of what lbm is trying (not very hard) to communicate, and expressing it in a clear, concise, and logical, format.

karma to you, snowdog, for reaching out to lbm, in the middle of a thread/post that i know is highly objectional to you. even though you totally disagree with his ideas you have made extra efforts to open up the communication channel

there is the matrix "the man" has created, the real world, and the matrix lbm has created for himself

im not better than you lbm, im simply more accessible

my beef with conservatives is their emphasis on symbol over substance. my beef with you is the same.

yeah, the child in me is up for a real game of catch or twister, but even as a child i never liked word games. your jumbling the letters of the language like they are building blocks is pointless and childish, not child like.

[littlebigman]

im sory my broken english and broken dna r so distasteful 4 u -V-, maybe if'n u braoden ur pallet u might even b more assesable:eek: :D...
sd cant help but luv luv luv me no matter how crazy i drive'm -V-, thaz y no matter what kind of hartless fascist parrot'n he does n his confusion symtoms of the disconnect,i know he would b right there get'n my bak if we were 2gether and the chipz were down...{psst..we r and they r...eh..u got my bak n this biospheric fox hole sd..?}
i thin u on the other hand my friend need a vizit from the dogz3 on this night...they howl ur hartz tune just right...
How can people be so heartless
How can people be so cruel
Easy to be hard, easy to be cold

How can people have no feelings
How can they ignore their friends
Easy to be proud, easy to say no

Especially people who care about strangers
Who care about evil and social injustice
Do you only care about bleeding crowd
How about a needing friend, I need a friend

How can people be so heartless
You know I'm hung up on you
Easy to be proud, easy to say no

Especially people who care about strangers
Who care about evil and social injustice
Do you only care about bleeding crowd
How about a needing friend, we all need a friend

How can people be so heartless
How can people be so cruel
Easy to be proud, easy to say no
Easy to be cold, easy to say no
Come, on, easy to give in, easy to say no
Easy to be cold, easy to say no
Much too easy to say no


ps...wtf iz all thiz karma yall r pass'n bak and 4th and how did i get 10..? can i get an amen:confused:

[-V-]

im sory my broken english and broken dna r so distasteful 4 u -V-

i know nothing about your DNA and i couldn't care less about any of your physical constructs. my concern is with your english constructs and ABC, not DNA.

is that what you would like this to be about, in your personal matrix?

i would apologize if i thought you had any real probem with your writing, but as i have seen you write clearly in the past, and i know you have one of the sharpest minds on this forum, i can only assume it is part of a game that need not be played here.

you are among kindred spirits.

[littlebigman]

stop kindred'n arNd wit me -V- or i might rust...:eek: :(

y not just oil me up and let me run free like all snipe long 2 b:sunny:

no games and no real names, iz dat how it iz -V-...?

im not play'n my friend, though i am quite playful!!!

soon u will find out just how real every1 of my disfunctional wordz can b chikadeee...

all i hav done, do now, and will do n the timez 2 cum, i do 4 u so that u and all otherz might 1 day find the true hart=1ness... the real brainz=understand'n... and the courage of unconditional luv & compasion...

luv'lbm

[Mr. Magoo]

I think there should be penalty by death for ALL murderers..1st,2nd and 3rd degree...Unless it was self defense, there is NO excuse for murder...They should execute pedophiles also...Do you really believe this SCUM can be rehabilitated? NO WAY !!!! But, as long as there are liberal judges, murderers,rapists and other dangerous felons will be set free to ply their "trade" once more!!!!

I agree. That scum, George W. Bush should be brought to justice for his initiation of the murder of over 100,000 innocent civilians in Iraq.

Since we both hate murderers I can only assume when you say "ilovebush" that you mean women and not this president. I'm with you again dude, right on!

If it weren't for the fact that our judicial system occasionally makes mistakes and executes people for crimes they didn't commit, I'd support the death penalty for leaders like G. Bush and S. Hussein. I'd like to see them share the same noose.

What do you think, Love, same noose, same chair, or just let them claw each other to death with blades on their fingers? That would be a real c o c k fight eh!

Where are you getting these statistics???? The liberal media??? The civilians are being slaughtered by the insurgents. The last time I checked, There were'nt any AMERICAN insurgents. We are at war, will there be some civillian casualties? Of course. But we are not TARGETING civillians,unlike the radical muslims. You obviously agree that Sadam was a murderer,so why do you not support this war? By the way my screen name is for women and our fine president !!!!! If Kerry,or any other liberal democrat was in office all this bloodshed and killing would be happening on our soil and not in Iraq !!!! Liberals are SOFT on our national security. How do feel about our interogation methods of prisoners in Iraq? Let me guess, you think it's inhumane and harsh. I say get the information that may save AMERICAN lives by any means neccesary !!!!!

[-V-]

Where are you getting these statistics????

You said "death for ALL murderers" so I assume one innocent civilian is sufficient, but, for the sake of argument let's take the number Bush himself stated a few weeks ago - something over 5,000 I recall.

we are not TARGETING civillians

I'll hold you to your word when you first said "NO excuse for murder". Besides, if Bush were to TARGET Saddham in the courtroom today but his "smart" bomb killed everyone there, including your family, is there any excuse acceptable to you or American law? Multiply that by every "smart", "bunker busting" bomb Bush ordered the troops to TARGET into Iraq homes and buildings.

I say get the information that may save AMERICAN lives by any means neccesary !!!!!

Then I can only assume you support fair and balanced war rules for all countries which would allow Iraq to use any torture on our sons and daughters they deem necessary to save IRAQ lives!!!!

[Mr. Magoo]

First of all let me clue you in....We are NOT at war with Iraq. We are at war with CRIMINAL insurgents. The Iraqi government is our ally. Secondly, These criminals do not abide by any rules, they behead people remember? These are NOT soldiers, the geneva pact DOES NOT APPLY !!!!! We are not at war with a country.
Let me see if I understand you. Are you saying American soldiers are murderers? If you believe Bush is, then the soldiers carrying out his orders must be right? Yet, Liberals claim to support the troops. So, does that mean you now support murderers? Again, liberals talk out both sides of their mouths. Please take ONE side of an issue and stay there. Don't try turning things around to suit your beliefs. There are no grey areas. It is black and white. ARE AMERICAN SOLDIERS MURDERERS????? Can't wait to hear the crap you spew back on this. It's a simple yes or no question.

[Mr. Magoo]

-V-, Are you ever going to answer my question about the U.S. soldiers? I see you have been here. I would love to hear your views on this. You can find the original thread under death penalty issues.

[-V-]

Let me see if I understand you. Are you saying American soldiers are murderers? If you believe Bush is, then the soldiers carrying out his orders must be right? Yet, Liberals claim to support the troops. So, does that mean you now support murderers? Again, liberals talk out both sides of their mouths. Please take ONE side of an issue and stay there. Don't try turning things around to suit your beliefs. There are no grey areas. It is black and white. ARE AMERICAN SOLDIERS MURDERERS????? Can't wait to hear the crap you spew back on this. It's a simple yes or no question.

I ignored your first 3 requests for me to comment on the "are U.S. soldier's murderer's rhetoric" because it is standard GOP issue and we've been there, done that many times before.

However, since you insist, and for future reference:
I've combined 4 seperate into this one and there's a few more that I missed.

Regressives would love for every issue to be, as you say, "black and white". But even colors themselves are literally in the eyes of the beholder. There are shades of gray in all issues. People don't conveniently fall into categories of Good & Evil, "with us or against us" in regressive terms.

Regressives, like you, get so excited at the prospect of cornering a liberal into saying something "unpatriotic". You, like other's before you, demand a simple, yes or no to the question "are U.S. soldiers murderer's? The simple answer for a simple man is the answer LBM points out Jesus would give, which is YES. If you want the more complex attempts at the truth from mere mortals, including myself, read all of the above and let me know if you still have questions.


We are NOT at war with Iraq. We are at war with CRIMINAL insurgents. The Iraqi government is our ally...These are NOT soldiers, the geneva pact DOES NOT APPLY !!!!! We are not at war with a country.

More convenient black and white labels. The right-wing in the U.S. call them CRIMINAL insurgents and terrorists, they call themselves freedom fighters trying to rid themselves of foreign invaders.

What is a country but the sum of it's people? Most Iraqi citizens hate our guts. What is this country but the sum of its people? Most U.S. citizens dissaprove of Bush, his unethical war, and the killing of innocent civilians.

[JamesP]

"IYou haven't answered my question from the other thread. You called Bush a murderer. The U.S. soldiers are carrying out HIS orders. Are you calling the soldiers murderers? Liberals support the troops but not the war, correct? So you support murderers. You also support two other murderers. Ted kennedy and John Kerry. Kerry was a soldier in a time of war. Didn't you vote for him?

The Bush administration is responsible for tens of thousands of:
lives lost, bodies burned, bones shattered, orphaned children, skulls crushed, humans tortured, grieving mothers and untold human grief & suffering.

It's what happens when you open up the Pandora's box of war.
And why it should only be opened up as the very last resort, after every other option snd hope has been exhausted and the enemy is at the gate.

The administration of "the one that you profess to love" opened that box with wreckless abandon & a touch of adolescent machismo - to the horror of most of the world.

As far as soldier's go: war creates two equally tragic scenarios for soldiers:
- the possibility to be maimed or killed
- the possibility to maim or kill
They must trust in their leaders that the sacrifice they make (either of the above) is made for a worthy cause and that it will not be asked of them lightly.

You and the "one that you profess to love" has failed them.
You both carry the weight of that failure through this life.... and beyond.
God help you both.

[Mr. Magoo]

"More convenient black and white labels. The right-wing in the U.S. call them CRIMINAL insurgents and terrorists, they call themselves freedom fighters trying to rid themselves of foreign invaders. "

So the Scum that flew planes into the WTC were "freedom fighters"? And aren't these same "freedom fighters" killing innocent Iraqis? These Iraqis are NOT foreigners, yet they are being targeted by the "freedom fighters", WHY?

"Regressives, like you, get so excited at the prospect of cornering a liberal into saying something "unpatriotic". You, like other's before you, demand a simple, yes or no to the question "are U.S. soldiers murderer's? The simple answer for a simple man is the answer LBM points out Jesus would give, which is YES. If you want the more complex attempts at the truth from mere mortals, including myself, read all of the above and let me know if you still have questions."

Liberals don't "get cornered into saying something unpatriotic". It comes naturally to them.
Yeah, I do still have a ton of questions. You, like ALL liberals dodge the question. I didn't ask you what Jesus would say, I want to know what YOU think. It's not all that "complex". How can you claim to support the troops? Don't give me that bs about supporting bringing them home. EVERYBODY would LOVE for them to come home, myself included. But, to pull out now would be a mistake. I understand, you think this is an unjust war. You cannot change the past. We must finish what we started. That means making sure the country is stable and on the path to a democratic government. Do you really believe that if we were to pull out now, that the U.S. would never have to worry about another attack? Would the "freedom fighters" be content that they "won" and become a civilized country that we would not have to worry about in the future?
What countries were we "occupying" when the WTC was destroyed? Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia, Last time I checked we were NOT "occupying" them. So what prompted his attack? He, and ALL radical muslims have a very deep hatred for the west. They want everyone to live in the stone age. Why can't liberals understand that WE did NOT cause all of this. Radical muslims were attacking us during the Clinton years also. You remember the first attack on the WTC? What prompted that? Was Clinton "occupying" foreign countries? I thought only Republicans did that?


"What is a country but the sum of it's people? Most Iraqi citizens hate our guts. What is this country but the sum of its people? Most U.S. citizens dissaprove of Bush, his unethical war, and the killing of innocent civilians."

How do you know how "most Iraqis" feel? Did I miss the NY times poll of Iraqi citizens?
Do you think "most Americans" dissaprove of the "freedom fighters" killing innocent civilians?

What makes this war unethical? Your favorite liberals voted for it !!!!!

[-V-]

What makes this war unethical? Your favorite liberals voted for it !!!!!

my favorite liberals are Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton, Michael Moore, Bill Mahr, and Randy Rhodes, among others, none of which voted for it.

[haus]

my favorite liberals are Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton, Michael Moore, Bill Mahr, and Randy Rhodes, among others, none of which voted for it.

Add Russ Feingold to the list.

Had to go back and check -- Dr. Wellstone's 'nay' might have been his last vote. If not, it was pretty close to it.

[-V-]

and Russ Feingold, among others....

[Jane of Arc]

So the Scum that flew planes into the WTC were "freedom fighters"? They were mostly Saudis, funded by Saudi money, and backed by a group of anti-American Muslim fundamentalists. (If you believe what you read.) Not one individual who attacked the WTC was from Iraq. There was no money from Iraq to commit the crime. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, as our President has stated. Iraqi society was extremely secular and hated by the same Saudi fundamentalist who attacked the US.

And aren't these same "freedom fighters" killing innocent Iraqis? The Muslim fundamentalist are pleased as punch that we broke down the secular rule of Saddam. They are flooding the borders gladly.



These Iraqis are NOT foreigners, yet they are being targeted by the "freedom fighters", WHY?The Iraqi people and the Muslim fundamentalists are fighting the US military. You couldn't have an active "insurgency" without the complete co-operation of the people of a country. Our poor soldiers are targets. It's not a good war PW. We have to get them out of that snake pit as soon as possible.



What makes this war unethical? Your favorite liberals voted for it !!!!!Here's where we agree on some things PW. I knew in my gut from the beginning that the Iraq War was wrong. I wanted our country to take the appropriate steps to capture Bin Laden in Afghanistan and not to stop until he and those thugs were jailed and charged with mass murder. Didn't happen. We went to war on Iraq???

When I saw all the liberal Congresspeople vote for the war ... I wanted to puke. And now they're total hypocrites and I don't trust them as far as I can throw them. I have no respect for most of the liberals in Congress.

Dennis Kuccinich is an honest man. Russ Feingold is an honest man.

If Hillary Clinton becomes the liberal presidental candidate ... I may leave the country. Then who will the monachy put up in 2012 ... Jeb Bush???