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Jane of Arc
11/27/05, 04:15 pm
In my curiousity about why only Democrats, liberals and peace proponents get assasinated or murdered ... I did some research on JFK, Jr. Check out this exerpt from a Blog by "FreedomWarrior":



The report of the National Transportation Safety Board came out on August 8, 2000, 13 months after the plane crash of JFK Jr. It contradicts many of the lies pushed in the media. For example, the L.A. Times reported "The accident that killed Kennedy was caused by an inexperienced pilot ...the NTSB concluded in its final report" (LA TIMES, 7/7/00, page 1). In fact, the NTSB report shows that Kennedy was highly experienced (he had more than enough hours for an instructor's license), he was described by his trainers as "excellent", "methodical", and "very cautious." (NTSB report, page 3) The media say the visibility was poor. But the NTSB quotes the Tower manager at Martha's Vineyard, where the plane went down, saying that there were "stars out" and visibility was "between 10 and 12 miles" (NTSB report, page 5). Why did the media lie?

Was John Kennedy Jr. murdered? Judge for yourself.
1) the rescue: This is enormously important. FAA radar tracked Kennedy's plane crash. The U.S. Coast Guard has reported that Kennedy contacted the tower on his final approach. THIS IS ENORMOUSLY IMPORTANT!!! It means they would have known his plane was going down before it hit the water. FAA regulations require that a search begin immediately when a plane reports itself on final approach and does not land within 5 minutes. Yet it took them 14½ hours to send the first planes and boats to Martha's Vineyard. (Boston Herald, 7/20/99 "Time gaps in early hours of search are beyond explanation" Jack Sullivan and David Talbot) (LINK5)WHY?
2) the plane: Kennedy's plane had autopilot, capable of flying itself to within 100 feet of the airport.
All a "cautious and methodical" pilot had to do was sit back and let the plane fly itself. (NTSB report, page 18)
3) the sabotage: Kennedy's plane had a black box. No other private non-jet plane on earth had one. He knew they wanted to kill him and he wanted to make it hard. The NTSB, says the battery had been removed, destroying all record of conversation in the cockpit. (NTSB page 10)
All planes have an Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT), which sends out a beacon signal in case of a crash. It took 5 days to locate Kennedy's plane. Why? Was it missing? Disabled? The report says nothing.
According to the NTSB report, the fuel valve had been turned to OFF (NTSB report, page 12). This valve had a safety device on it so that it could not accidentally be turned to OFF. Turning it off during flight would be suicide, since at top speed, the engine will die in 45 seconds!! Because the results are potentially deadly, the valve cannot be turned by accident. A safety-release button must be pushed down and held while turning the valve. This piece of evidence is the smoking gun. It is positive proof of foul play. Was Kennedy committing suicide? If he wasn't, there can scarcely be any question but that he was murdered. So who turned the valve?

Kennedy's flight logbook is missing. (NTSB report, page 2) This will be seen as critical in one minute, because the logbook would have recorded the presence of a flight instructor on the plane.
The media talked about a "graveyard spiral" and various forms of disorientation. The NTSB report describes Kennedy's plane making two mild explainable maneuvers; and then the plan plunged drastically to the right and plummeted straight down, crashing 2600 feet in 45 seconds. It sounds like someone grabbed the controls and suddenly shoved the plane into the water. But this description of a suicide plunge is consistent with the "suicide" position of the fuel valve.
4) the flight instructor: All of the early reports said there was a flight instructor on the plane (e.g. The New York Times, Saturday July 17, 1999). Then the flight instructor disappeared from the reports. Kennedy very rarely flew at night without a flight instructor. Out of 310 hours of flight time, and 55 hours at night, he had only 45 minutes at night without an instructor. (LINK12)He was very cautious. He had his wife on board. It is almost unthinkable that he would not have taken an instructor.

Kennedy's emergency locator was removed, the cockpit recorder was disabled, the flight log was taken, and the body of the flight instructor was removed. (But they forgot to return the fuel valve to ON!!) They delayed the rescue 14 hours to do it. They were waiting in the water for the plane to crash. Who was?

But why would anyone want to kill John Kennedy Jr.?

He was planning to run for National office according to Newsweek and People. He told friends he would have run for Senate in New York, but let Hillary Clinton run instead. And he would have won. He was the most popular man in the US. And for good reason. He was a great guy. But he was the only Kennedy to ever acknowledge a conspiracy in his father's death. He not only acknowledge it, he published an article by Oliver Stone, in his magazine, George, about assassination, conspiracies, and lying history books. Who would want to kill him? The people who killed his father had to kill him. Kennedy Jr. was going to go after them.

Lionhearted
11/27/05, 05:02 pm
While I personally give no credence to this particulary "theory", you may find the following links of interest (or not) :)


Official NTSB report (http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001212X19354&ntsbno=NYC99MA178&akey=1)

Alleged initial NTSB report (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/safety_board.htm)

Jane of Arc
11/27/05, 06:43 pm
Thanks Lion-heart. I'll read this. It's dense. Just curious ... why are you so fast to say you "personally give no credence"? Isn't there a lot to think about here? I just think, "I don't know". I watch the "good guys" drop from view way too often.

Thanks for the info.

Jane of Arc
11/27/05, 07:10 pm
Dang! I just finished reading the first NTSB report and it confirms my initial post:

(1) No recent logbooks were located.
(2) Kennedy had an evaluation of very good flying skills. Instructor stated Kennedy was cautious and careful.
(3) There were clear skies. (The opposite reported by media.)

Back to reading. Ugh!

Lionhearted
11/28/05, 11:42 pm
Thanks Lion-heart. I'll read this. It's dense. Just curious ... why are you so fast to say you "personally give no credence"? Isn't there a lot to think about here? I just think, "I don't know". I watch the "good guys" drop from view way too often.

I dunno what?, just an instinctive feeling I suppose. Not to make light of the thread topic, but I have always been of the opinion it is much easier to crash a heavier than air machine than to keep one aloft, regardless of the pilot's skill level.

Jane of Arc
11/29/05, 01:35 pm
Hey Lionhearted~

When I lived in NYC I actually met JFK, Jr. I also had the pleasure to attend a function where he gave a speech. He was scheduled to speak after Mario Cuomo. A VERY tough act to follow. I thought "poor guy". Then something amazing happened when JFK, Jr. spoke. The crowd was simply mesmerized by a brilliant mind, a perfect orator, a stunning wit, a soul of deep compassion and insight, a voice that held people spellbound, complete poise, remarkable stature and the most handsome face probably anyone had ever seen.

He was a SUPERSTAR! A Democratic secret bomb. Due to his family's pleadings he stayed out of politics.

My gut tells me that when he stepped over the line of announcing his ambitions and political plans publicly he sealed his fate.

This man could of changed the power structure of the world and the power structure was keenly aware of this fact.

Lionhearted
11/30/05, 07:48 pm
Hey What?, this thread got me to thinking (always a dangerous prospect), about something that had crossed my mind in the fall of 2002.
Check out this link (http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr21.html) and see what you think.

Jane of Arc
12/01/05, 10:37 am
EXCELLENT LINK Lionhearted!!! What are the odds that TRUE DMOCRATS like Kennedy, Jr. and Paul Wellstone would ... poof! ... disappear off the planet when they were poised to challenge the military-corporate war machine? I thought this excerp from your link should be high-lighted here:


"But a strange thing appeared to be happening: Wellstone seemed to be on his way to electoral victory. Contrary to Washington spin, Wellstone had gotten a large boost in his poll numbers as a direct result of his vote on the Iraqi resolution. But how could that be? How could a maverick Senator who had chosen to voice such an 'unpopular' opinion actually gain support?

The vast majority of Wellstone's allegedly 'Democratic' colleagues chose to give a thumbs-up to transferring war-making power to the White House, despite being inundated with correspondence from constituents who strongly opposed the measure.
(http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021003-851543.htm)

It has been almost universally proclaimed by pols and pundits that these 'Democrats' lined up behind Bush on the war resolution (as they had on the Patriot Act, and the resolution authorizing the use of force in Afghanistan, and various other reactionary measures) because it was the "politically expedient" thing to do.

Wellstone's reelection would have revealed this 'conventional wisdom' to be a craven lie. As the hopelessly compromised Nation put it in a posting from May of 2002, "If [Wellstone] wins, a blow will be struck not just against the Bush machine but against those in the Democratic Party who argue for tepid moderation."
(http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020527&s=nichols)

JamesP
12/03/05, 11:56 pm
One would have to be quite naive not to consider that something more than "chance" played a role in the deaths of Kennedy Jr and Wellstone.

MAGI
12/04/05, 08:39 am
One would have to be quite naive not to consider that something more than "chance" played a role in the deaths of Kennedy Jr and Wellstone.

AND.........Thank Goodness we have, at last, some really bravehearts with the guts to speak out and a growing population LOOKING at all that's transpiring!