[snowdog]

well folks I just spent 12 days in the hospital (viral menengitis) pretty much
could only lay there with IV's stuck in my arm. did a lot of thinking.
I have come to the conclusion that ...........Yes, there is problems with
the GWB administration. the secrecy, the deceiving, the conservative agenda
I don't understand what the heck the thinking is for GWB's shutting the door
to all but conservatives. I still consider myself a moderate independant.
but dang it, wrong is wrong. And after several hours (days) of looking at
the pros and cons.......I have no choice but to come to the conclusion that
there is a problem with our executive branch. I have been a bit of a pain in the
sides of a few people here. I apologize for that. but I sincerely belive that
you progressive minded people are more right than you are wrong. I hope that
elections in 06, bring some changes.....as well as 08. because this country
cannot continue on its present course. have a nice day! Snowdog.

[-V-]

welcome back to a healthier body and mind, snow. I still expect plenty of arguments from you on the traditional issues, which we should have more time for now that there is one less person defending this indefensible administration.

[snowdog]

:D , Yea, I'm sure I'll still argue on certain issues...........but honestly, there
is something very wrong with all thats going on. I thought and thought about
it. I cannot defend so many of the actions of the GWB adminstration. I
want to of course, I can do my best to try to BS myself and many of you,
but I can't do it any more. things just ain't right. No, none of my friends,
or relatives died over in Iraq. but I am really getting sick of watching the
news and seeing the US soldier death toll going up daily. For what?
the cartoon thing, the US didn't put the cartoon out. and yet the muslim
people are PRACTICLY BLAMING THE us. EVERYONE HATES US BECAUSE
OF OUR PRESIDENTS ACTIONS. WE AMERICANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE. THE
WORLD SEES US AS PRETTY MUCH TRYING TO WIPE OUT A RELIGION. IN
FAVOR OF OUR CHRISTIAN VALUES. GWB and his admin have way to much power, and the congress and the senate cannot stop this stuff going on.
Many republicans are starting to get a bit irate, at the attitude of GWB.
changes MUST be made.

[-V-]

well, you know how the liberals here feel. It may take the rest of our lifetimes for us to undue the damage that has been done in these 5 years to this country's reputation in the world community.

But what say you sweetpea? Are snowdog and other conservatives wrong in not continuing to defend the Bush administration?

[MAGI]

Thank You, Snowdog!

I'm so glad you're doing well. :sunny:

I'm just glad to know you are considering ALL sides. That's all I ask of anyone.

I'm sorry you feel I came on so strongly against you. All I ever wanted to do was present the side most of us feel so passionate about and convince you to give it some thought. I am sincerely upset at the loss of "The American Dream."


Again, Thank You, You are a person of courage,
Magi

[JamesP]

Thanks, Snow. Glad you're well.
It's hopeful to see more and more good people recognizing that there's so much more wrong than right about this administration. It's beyond party or political philosophy. Those behind the Bush administration have been wrong about too much, too often & the cost has been immense & unnecessary.

[BenDover]

Sorry to hear about your illness, Snowdog. Hope you are feeling much better in body....sounds like you are already feeling a lot better in spirit!

It takes a big individual to recognize the truth even if it does clash with his original assessments.

:thumbup:

[sweetpea]

well, you know how the liberals here feel. It may take the rest of our lifetimes for us to undue the damage that has been done in these 5 years to this country's reputation in the world community.

But what say you sweetpea? Are snowdog and other conservatives wrong in not continuing to defend the Bush administration?
---
Thanks for asking -V-.

I see your response as classic pessimistic self loathing. Oh woe is me/ everything is so horrible/ but as soon as a Dem. gets to the Presidency everything will be just fine attitude is old and tiresome. The term '"world community" is also tiresome. What exactly is the "world community"?

Further, our country is bigger than one President. That is the beauty of it.

Now your pitifulness aside please point out where I have said that GWB has done everything right and he should not be criticized. What I have argued against is the irrational, conspiracy hunting, self loathing, politics over country criticisms.
I get it. You hate GWB. Much of it irrational. Some of it is legitamate criticism. Just because I argue agisnt irrational hatred doesn't mean I agree with everything GWB does. Did you agree with everything Jimmy Carter did? How about Clinton?

[JamesP]

"Classic, pessimistic self-loathing" ... sounds like bleeding heart liberal psycho-babble.

-V-: Cheer up! All is well! The Republicans are in charge!

Whatever they do (wars, obscene deficits, scandal, cronyism, ineptitude, corporate welfare beyond your wildest imagination, gay prostitutes visiting the white house hundreds of times posing as journalists) - It's all good!
Because it's all done under a Republican label!

Don't worry - Be Happy! :sunny:

[-V-]

pea, I'm not following the "self loathing". I don't loath myself or my country, I loath, my employee, G.W.Bush.

as soon as a Dem. gets to the Presidency everything will be just fine attitude is old and tiresome how could it be old and tiresome if I've never read it anywhere on this forum.

The term '"world community" is also tiresome. What exactly is the "world community"? I know you and the GOP are clueless about that term. I can help. The first step will be easy for you. Picture YOU. Your life, your car, your sports team, your country, your viewpoint. Now work with me for a moment. Close your eyes and imagine - EVERYONE ELSE, everywhere, that isn't YOU! Hold it, hold it, and done. That's enough for one day. Take a deep breath. You've just taken the first step in aknowledging the dimension of people and ideas outside of your own know as the "world community".

Did you agree with everything Jimmy Carter did? How about Clinton?

No. No one, except maybe the first lady agrees 100% with any president and no one assumed you did. I'll simplify for you.

Would you reward G.W.Bush for his performance by voting to re-elect him if the election was today?

[FDRfollower]

Greetings SD! :salut:

It seems as if you had your own personal "Damascus Road conversion" :)

Things are still crazy around here, as you can see. Join in.

[Jane of Arc]

Wow! That took guts to say! The noble snowdog rules!

Hope you feel all better soon!

[snowdog]

Hi all, well finally got into the new place, and back on the internet. feeling
better, but I didn't realize that It will take weeks till I am back to normal, brain
apparently still is a bit swollen and there is a bit of fluid still. Doc says that is
normal. LOL, Go figure when I walk, for what ever reason, because of the
menningitis, I seem to always kinda veer to the left.............. anyways, Yes
I still feel that a change is definitly needed. there is something very wrong
with the way the country is going.

[Jane of Arc]

Great to have you back snowdog! You were missed! I will be sending you HUGE amounts of positive energy for a fast recovery.

You're a real trooper and I'm certain The Noblehttp://www.eshieldkret.com/images/snowdog.jpg Snowdog will be back in action in 2 shakes of a tail! :sunny:

[snowdog]

Thank you Jane ! :)

[FDRfollower]

Hey Snowdog, give us an update about your condition! Is your mental and physical condition improving, worsening, or stable? :salut: