sweetpea
03/08/06, 07:28 am
Pea: You make some reasonable points in the debate...
but then you lose me (and most others that understand & value what is special about America) when you:
- speak repeatedly of it being wrong to "bad-mouth" America (as if, of all people, Americans must stay silent in the face of their government's misdeeds ... and as though you & yours stayed silent & respectful during the Clinton years)
---Did you read what AL Gore said in S.A.? I would recommend you do. Do you recognize the setting. He is in a country taht doesn't allow women to drive while preaching about how we are routinely and indiscrimnately rounding up Muslims and holding them prisoner. He lied. He lied with no evidence. And he did it for the money. If you cannot recognize the difference then shame on you.
- persist in the desperate, convenient and outrageous lie, in the face of all we now know, that "Iraq was a threat to this country".
---Did you read my quotes from Hillary, Madeline, John Kerry, Bill, Hans Blix, et. al.? Did you? They said the EXACT same thing.
In this latter case, you're simply playing word-games (like debating what the meaning of the word "is" is).
---No. In this case. (This thread) I am treating -V- to some of the same presumptuous, condescending, berating, strawman laden posts that he opened with.
A weak case can be made that any nation is vaguely "a threat" and may harbor terrorists, but the
- unjustified mass murder of so many tens of thousands of virtually defenseless civilians
- wreckless incompetence in the handling of the war
- enormous waste in terms of American lives and treasure
whether based on erroneous info or lies is something no person of conscience can rationalize and should make every otherwise proud American shameful of their government and angry.
-This type of diatribe is why folks of your persuasion (far left) are out of power and will stay that way. Keep saying it. Keep letting MoveOn adn George Soros dictate Democrat talking points and keep on losing elections.
It is your "moral dodge" on this issue, your failure to hold the administration accountable and your comfort level with abusive power that casts a dark shadow on all of your other arguments.
-- I didn't dodge a thing. I ansered specific adn general questions. -V-, however, and I suspect you can't or won't.
An then..... one as well-read as you.... asks for examples of "corruption and lies" with respect to the current administration, thereby taking yourself completely and irretrievably out of the debate.
--If it so obvious then point one out.
Still, I salute you for coming somewhere in the vicinity, Pea, of intellectual honesty and meaningful communication. Rare, thus far, for conservatives in this venue.
--Thanks. You should try it. Try the Free Republic. It's pretty good.
but then you lose me (and most others that understand & value what is special about America) when you:
- speak repeatedly of it being wrong to "bad-mouth" America (as if, of all people, Americans must stay silent in the face of their government's misdeeds ... and as though you & yours stayed silent & respectful during the Clinton years)
---Did you read what AL Gore said in S.A.? I would recommend you do. Do you recognize the setting. He is in a country taht doesn't allow women to drive while preaching about how we are routinely and indiscrimnately rounding up Muslims and holding them prisoner. He lied. He lied with no evidence. And he did it for the money. If you cannot recognize the difference then shame on you.
- persist in the desperate, convenient and outrageous lie, in the face of all we now know, that "Iraq was a threat to this country".
---Did you read my quotes from Hillary, Madeline, John Kerry, Bill, Hans Blix, et. al.? Did you? They said the EXACT same thing.
In this latter case, you're simply playing word-games (like debating what the meaning of the word "is" is).
---No. In this case. (This thread) I am treating -V- to some of the same presumptuous, condescending, berating, strawman laden posts that he opened with.
A weak case can be made that any nation is vaguely "a threat" and may harbor terrorists, but the
- unjustified mass murder of so many tens of thousands of virtually defenseless civilians
- wreckless incompetence in the handling of the war
- enormous waste in terms of American lives and treasure
whether based on erroneous info or lies is something no person of conscience can rationalize and should make every otherwise proud American shameful of their government and angry.
-This type of diatribe is why folks of your persuasion (far left) are out of power and will stay that way. Keep saying it. Keep letting MoveOn adn George Soros dictate Democrat talking points and keep on losing elections.
It is your "moral dodge" on this issue, your failure to hold the administration accountable and your comfort level with abusive power that casts a dark shadow on all of your other arguments.
-- I didn't dodge a thing. I ansered specific adn general questions. -V-, however, and I suspect you can't or won't.
An then..... one as well-read as you.... asks for examples of "corruption and lies" with respect to the current administration, thereby taking yourself completely and irretrievably out of the debate.
--If it so obvious then point one out.
Still, I salute you for coming somewhere in the vicinity, Pea, of intellectual honesty and meaningful communication. Rare, thus far, for conservatives in this venue.
--Thanks. You should try it. Try the Free Republic. It's pretty good.