[Jennifer_SFBA]

Hi, Gip. No, but you may be Mr. Magoo. You focused on your conservativism rather than the integity of the vote and the will of the people to elect their representatives that is the topic of this thread along with the inherent threat to democracy itself that goes along with vote denial and manipulation. Have you "evaluated" the extensive information available and the physical evidence of John Kennedy's last flight? John Kennedy, Jr. did announce that he was keenly interested in running for U.S. President and that he wanted to open up a thorough investigation of JFK's assassination. John Kennedy, Jr. did produce that fine piece a journalism about vote fraud and manipulation in the 2000 and 2004 elections that is not defensable regardless of party affiliation. Why do you presume I was making reference to Republicans? Have you missed the fact that government has been operating as a single party, the RepubliCratic Party, and that leaders from both political parties are members of the Order of Skull & Bones as well as other occult organizations? You might see my post, and read the links I included in the New-Age room. Among the links I posted is extensive work on the "New World Order" by very Republican Christian conservative, Alex Jones. I posted two of Alex Jone's links, one to each of Alex Jone's two websites. See what is really going on. Evaluate it. The material in that room was who I was referenecing in the suspicious airplane crash of John Kennedy, Jr., not Republicans and not conservatives. Conservatives have as much at stake in that reality as liberals.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

For the record, Gip, and I've posted this before elsewhere on this site, though I can't remember where right now, (maybe the Anti-War room?), I did NOT vote for Clinton in either of the two terms he ran for U.S. President. A way to see my intent in that statement I made about John Kennedy, Jr.'s airplane crash, that it looks suspicious, and it does when the reports of the physical evidence are carefully read and evaluated, you will see that I posted that "The Order of Skull & Bones" material in the New-Age room on the same day, and just after I posted here. All you have to do is check the dates and times of my postings to see that. Hopefully that will clarify for you who I was talking about and that I was talking about, or inferring Republicans and/or conservatives were responsible for the crash of John Kennedy, Jr.'s airplane. It's a really good thing I did post that material there too, or else how would I have been able to show you my intent?

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Oh, darn, "Hopefully that will clarify for you who I was talking about and that I was (NOT) talking about, or inferring Republicans and/or conservatives were responsible for the crash of John Kennedy, Jr.'s airplane, that is. I think it is far better to ask questions of people for clarity than to impugn and thereby attempt to discredit them. Don't you?

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Many people are aware that Bush and Kerry are members of at least one secret society together, The Order of Skull & Bones. Bush is also a member of the elite international group (Cabal) who attend rituals at Bohemian Grove near the "(Russian) River" in Marin County, California. A guiding principle of the ruling elite is "Order out of Chaos." Fewer people are aware that Bush and Kerry share a common family liniage and are cousins. Their common family liniage is important in relation to their "god" given right to rule in the historical context of kingships that go back to the description of who conferred that "right" and has that "right," expressed in Genesis Chapter 6 of the Christian Bible. Very much has already been written about the Order of Skull & Bones, so I'll just provide some links where important information about The Order of Skull & Bones will be found on the web as follows:

http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_a...U.S._Education

http://www.infowars.com/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/

http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/

http://www.jimmarrs.com/

http://www.sisterhoodoftherose.com/ (The artwork for that book is positively stunning! I'm going to buy that book for the art alone, though I'm sure the content will also contribute to it's value.)

There is alot to be discussed about where our world is headed; and what there is to be done about it. The first step toward doing that is an open mind combined with critical thinking and analysis. The second step is having true and accurate knowledge to work with.

The most knowledgeable and spititually together, liberal, progressive author to read on the historical machinations of the "Cabal" is David Icke. David ties that history to today's events.

One of the most conservative author's to read on the "Cabal" is Alex Jones, a Republican Christian traditionalist with a bias against GLBT people. That said, Alex is legitimately very concerned over the right of free speech. It is rightfully unlawful to yell, "FIRE," in a crowded theater, or auditorium when such speech may result in harm to others. I mention it for the reason that, on Alex's website, he specifically criticizes laws that prohibit hate speech in schools against people who are GLBT.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

The website address for " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_a...U.S._Education " has changed.

The new website address is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones_and_U.S._Education#Importing_the_P russian_Social_Control_Model

[Jennifer_SFBA]

The article below fits in with this discussion. The website where I discovered it is;

http://alienated.blog-city.com/

There are a number of other articles beneath the one below that are very interesting to read too.

Saturday, 15 April 2006
have a nice easter...
April 16, 2006

Mysterious ‘Ritual’ Performed By Military Forces In Babylon Raises Concerns Of Muslim And Russian Orthodox Religious Leaders

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers

Russian Intelligence Analysts are reporting today on a bizarre religious ritual being preformed by elements of the United States Military, including some of their top leaders, in the closed Military Zone of the ancient city of Babylon in the Iraqi War Zone.

Seen by Russian satellite photos taken of the areas around Babylon, these reports state that the Americans have constructed a nearly one kilometer circle around their massive excavation of Babylon of a ‘Feathered Serpent’ in an apparent ritual relating to the ‘ancient objects’ they are about to unearth and have stationed giant US Military Cargo aircraft to bring to the United States, and which they have apparently been waiting to do on the specific date of April 16th.

Upon the complaints of the Iraqi Government to the Americans for the destruction of Babylon the US Military remains to this day defiant, and as we can read as reported by the ’s Independent News Service in their article titled "US colonel offers Iraq an apology of sorts for devastation of Babylon", and which says:

"In an act of at least partial contrition, an officer in charge of the US military occupation of Babylon in 2003 and 2004 has offered to make a formal apology for the destruction his troops wrought on the ancient site. Colonel John Coleman, former chief of staff for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in Iraq, said yesterday that if the head of the Iraqi antiquities board wanted an apology, "if it makes him feel good, we can certainly give him one".

For more than a millennium, Babylon was one of the great cities of antiquity. It reached its greatest glory in the early 6th century BC, as the capital of Nebuchadnezzar II, builder of the celebrated Hanging Gardens."

The ‘Feathered Serpent’ aspect of this most strange ritual being performed by the Americans in their retrieval of their underground finds in the ancient vaults of Babylon lend further credence to historians who state that the actual name of America was taken from the Winged Serpent God of the Americas name in Peru, which is called Amaruca, and as we can read:

"In the most prevalent versions of American history, the origin of the name America is attributed to the Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucci. This popular distortion of the true origin of the native Amaruca, which translates as: Land of the Great Plumed Serpent, may be finally gaining more credibility among scholars to restore the name Amaruca to it's rightful place.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

CONTINUING:

Recent discoveries in Peru may lead to more conclusive evidence concerning the relationships between North and South American indigenous peoples. As discoveries continue to unearth ancient Incan cities, writings pertaining to the mysterious origins of Amaruca are sure to be found. The Incas abandoned their towns and cities and retreated from the treasure-hunting Spanish invaders after the Conquistadors captured and executed the last Incan leader, Tupac Amaru, in 1572. Some of the cities have since been rediscovered, but many more are believed to lie hidden in the dense jungle."

Most concerning to both Muslim and Russian Religious Leaders of these mysterious events is the timing of them to coincided with the ancient Babylon Religious worship of Easter, but to which Western Christians have adopted as being the day their Lord arose from the dead, but in actuality is a celebration of the Darkest of the World’s powers, and as we can read:

"Most children and families who color or hide Easter eggs as part of their Resurrection Sunday tradition have no knowledge of the origin of these traditions. Easter egg activities have become a part of Western culture. Many would be surprised and even dismayed to learn where the traditions originated.

"The egg was a sacred symbol among the Babylonians. They believed an old fable about an egg of wondrous size which was supposed to have fallen from heaven into the Euphrates River. From this marvelous egg - according to the ancient story - the Goddess Astarte (Easter) [Semiramis], was hatched. And so the egg came to symbolize the Goddess Easter."

The idea of a mystic egg spread from Babylon to many parts of the world.[12] In Rome, the mystic egg preceded processions in honor of the Mother Goddess Roman. The egg was part of the sacred ceremonies of the Mysteries of Bacchus. The Druids used the egg as their sacred emblem. In Northern Europe, China and Japan the eggs were colored for their sacred festivals.

The egg was also a symbol of fertility; Semiramis (Easter) was the goddess of Fertility. The Easter egg is a symbol of the pagan Mother Goddess, and it even bears one of her names."

To the Darkness that has enveloped the Western peoples for their devotion to the ancient gods of darkness we have spoken of many times, but with these new events occurring in Babylon today the entire world should indeed shudder…for by all accounts, those cruel demons of our ancient days may be once again unleashed upon us all by the actions of the Americans.

For even in our most ancient of days these horrific dark masters were feared by the Angels themselves, and as war with the Persians of Iran is soon to occur, and which will undoubtedly unleash the largest war of all, it is well that we all remember the words of Daniel [10:20] about this greatest of beasts, read and understand:

"But I am going back to make war with the angel of Persia, and when I am gone, the angel of Greece will come. And there is no one on my side against these, but Michael, your angel."

© April 16, 2006 EU and US all rights reserved.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

About the Statue of Liberty;

... The Statue of Liberty is a replica of the Babylonian goddess Ishtar and a Brotherhood symbol highlighting the lighted torch, a gift to New York by French Freemasons. She has a twin representing Isis in Paris, standing on an island in the Seine River. The Statue of Liberty is actually the Statue of Liberties....the liberties perpetrated on the American people by the Brotherhood and means we have been told they are in control of this country, even if we don't realize it. ...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_130503_lady.html

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/masonsstatueofliberty.htm

http://freemasonrywatch.org/statue_of_liberty.html

http://yahushua.net/babylon/liberty/pagan_statue.htm

http://abrieflookattomorrow.com/twlightlastgleaming.htm

There are many other websites besides the ones I've posted above that are about what the Statue of Liberty represents. David Icke has conducted extensive research into ancient and modern symbols found all over our world including those on churches, government buildings and mansions of royalty.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

David Icke will be presenting his latest lecture along with other outstanding presenters at Mount Shasta, California July 7 - 9, 2006. For details, please see the link below:

www.shalomarproductions.com

I will be there!

[Jennifer_SFBA]

I highly recommend the book, "Trance: Formation of America" by Cathy O'Brian and Mark Phillips. Their book is real, very real, is excedingly disturbing and is not for the faint of heart. "The Trance: Formation of America" has been self published since it's first edition and is now in it's 13TH printing. I purchased my copy of that book in 1995. Several years ago I met Cathy and Mark at an evening lecture they gave at the Unitarian Unversalist Church in San Francisco. If you have an oportunity to go to hear them speak, you will be awed by the immensity of their message. On Cathy's and Mark's website, there are other related books, etc., including their lecture tour schedule,

http://www.trance-formation.com/

Reviews of the book, "Trance: Formation of America," are at the following website:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/096...lance&n=283155

Reguardless of how difficult it was for me to read "The Trance: Formation of America," reading it in paragraphs rather than pages sometimes before I had to put it down, Cathy's and Mark's book opened my eyes to more of the truth. Action may be wasted when it is not based in reality and on truth. Always when I have spoken truth to power I have won.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

I found a website that is discussing government, politics, the environment, etc. in terms of the "New World Order" that George Bush the First proclaimed at his innaugural address. That website is approaching the understaning our of world's problems in that context. Much more of that needs to be done.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/NewsServer/ArticleFunctions/LinkMaster.php?LCatID=6

[Jennifer_SFBA]

The Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, successor to the Austro-Hungarian Empire, unified in 1867 resulting in use of a common currency, but with political functions held separately by their respective national governments (Sound familiar? The more the world changes, the more it stays the same.), that began the first world war that set the stage for the second world war, was carried out by a secreret society, the Black Hand, that, by 1914, consisted of about 2,500 members. (NOTE: There are a few thousand members of the world's elite who attend secret, but not so secret anymore, rituals at Bohemian Grove since Alex Jones gained uninvited entry to the Grove and filmed it. What he filmed there is availble on Alex's website.) Ferdinand's visit to Serbia and his assassination took place in the morning on a day that was a Serbian national holiday, Saint Vitas Day, that commemorates a military battle in Kosovo in 1389 that was won by Turkey of the Ottoman Empire in which a secret society within the Turkish military at that time was involved, namely, June 28, 1914.

The bottom line is that the world's great troubles have always been about wealth and power in association with ritual and dark forces. The question for us is, how do we stop it?

There is alot of information on the internet and in books about the existance and influence of secret societies throughout history. Secret Socieities is a complex and difficult subject to research, exemplified by a journalist who is working on it.

http://www.red-ice.net/specialreports/2005/12dec/knightstemplars.html

[Jennifer_SFBA]

So, what kinds of rituals do those who are in secret societies and possess great authority and power engage in to herald and/or celebrate events? Look to the sky and ancient religious practices. Events on the following website could be coincidence, but all of them together combined with the existance of the great pyramids not only in Egypt, but in South America and elsewhere around the world and their orientations to the heavens and inherent mathematical disriptiveness of things like the mass of the Earth and it's circumference, etc. strongly suggest coherancy:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/table_of_coincidence.htm

[Mr. Magoo]

Have you "evaluated" the extensive information available and the physical evidence of John Kennedy's last flight? John Kennedy, Jr. did announce that he was keenly interested in running for U.S. President and that he wanted to open up a thorough investigation of JFK's assassination.

So this is proof that he was killed? Big deal, he was "keenly interested", that does not mean he would have run or been elected.

Why do you presume I was making reference to Republicans?

Because your profile says very liberal and everyone on this site bashes republicans. Republicans are the devil don't you realize that?

I think it is far better to ask questions of people for clarity than to impugn and thereby attempt to discredit them. Don't you?

I have read your postings about the " order of skull & bones".

You know what, I think your on to something. Did you realize that GWB is also related to Osama Bin Laden? He made it possible for the 9/11 attacks. It was all part of the GRAND PLAN to take over the world. GWB is also in cahoots with the aliens currently residing at area 51. That way he can take over Mars also. But, I don't think JFK Jr is dead. He is living in a bunker with Elvis & Jim Morrison and will come out once all the peices have fallen into place. You see, It was JFK Jr who was responsible for the assasination of his father. I have to go now....I think they have my computer tapped... I've said too much already...

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Hi, Gip. The "evidence" itself that is to be evaluated constitutes a degree of proof, that I referred only as "suspicious" in my post for the reason I do not have enough evidence in the matter of the crash of John F. Kennedy, Jr.'s airplane that is clear and convincing enough for me to be able to make a strong case for murder. Whether there is sufficient proof to meet the legal test of "beyond a reasonable doubt" for criminal charges to be brought for murder is the key question. Evidence upon evidence may eventually become evidence sufficient for a charge of murder, but it's not there yet.

Gip, you have succeded in providing enough evidence in your post above to me to suggest that you are intellectually capable, but lazy, a characteristic I do NOT value. I am NOT here to satisfy your scepticism by work I might do to prove to you what the facts are in that case. If you care enough, you will do the hard research yourself to ferret out the truth. However, if you wish only to rabble rouse your conservative ideology, I haven't got the time for it.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Saint Vitas Day that I referenced in post #12 has all of the following events associated with it seen at the following website:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidovdan

Saint Vitus Day has for centuries, even before the war at Kosovo in 1389, been a general "celebration" of all those who "sacrificed" their lives for god and country. I found the following description of Saint Vitus at,

http://www.westsrbdio.org/prolog/my.html?day=15&month=June



2. THE HOLY MARTYRS VITUS, MODEST AND CRESCENTIA

St. Vitus was born in Sicily of famous but non-believing parents. Modest was his teacher and Crescentia was his governess. St. Vitus was baptized at an early age and, at the age of twelve, withdrew to live a life of great mortification. Angels appeared to him, directed and strengthened him in his mortification and he, himself, was as radiant and beautiful as an angel of God. The hand of a judge who beat him withered but Vitus healed his hand through prayer. Seeing twelve radiant angels in his room "whose eyes were as stars and whose faces were as lightning," his father was blinded. Vitus, through prayer, restored his sight. When his father wanted to kill him, an angel appeared to Vitus and took him together with Modest and Crescentia to Lucania on the shore of the river Silaris. Here, Vitus worked many miracles over the infirm and the insane. At the request of Emperor Diocletian, Vitus traveled to Rome where he expelled an evil demon from the emperor's son for which the emperor did not reward him but, on the contrary, cruelly tortured him because he would not worship the dumb idols. However, the Lord delivered him from all torments and by His invisible hand translated him again to Lucania where he, Modest and Crescentia presented themselves to the Lord. The relics of St. Vitus are located in Prague, the Czech Republic.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Clinton was a "Rhodes Scholar," so who was Cecil J. Rhodes, and in what ways was he involved in the Brotherhood? There is alot on the internet about Rhodes, so I'll present but one website that has a researched story to tell:

http://watch.pair.com/roundtable.html

[Jennifer_SFBA]

There is not doubt that the United States and the world has been moving toward one world government for quite some time.

http://www.constitution.org/col/cuddy_nwo.txt

Will the one world government many of the elite have in mind for We, the people be democratic? Chances of a democratic one world government appear dim in view of many of the statements made by many of those elites involved with it's making, their philosphies and their associations.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Where do U.S. secret society members go? Some secret society members work in black budgeted military programs that are conducted under the auspices of the aerospace industry, others are in NASA, the NSA and other intelligence services and positions in the military while still others are in policy positions in finance, government and private industry. Because of national security protections, many secret society members conduct themselves with relative impunity. They do affect our lives. Secret knowledge is not secret if everyone knows. Knowledge is power, and they use their knowledge as elitists deciding who on Earth is worthy, who is not while carrying out economic, political, social and military policy by the use of propaganda and force as needed. David Icke talks about their methods in his books. It's simple, and it's this; "problem (create a problem), reaction that is generally calculated to be fear based (let the reaction set in), solution (they provide the solution that will accomplish the intended goal). To live and be free is to not live by fear based emotions that are able to be manipulated. With alot of practice and determination, that is able to accomplished. Reading David's books helps shine a light along that path!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

David Icke will be presenting his latest lecture along with other outstanding presenters at Mount Shasta, California July 7 - 9, 2006. For details, please see the link below:

www.shalomarproductions.com

I will be there. Maybe you will too.

[Mr. Magoo]

My suggestion to you, Jennifer is.....Medication and lots of it....You have totally lost touch with reality.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Oh, my, Gip. You are Mr. Magoo! You may be right about my having lost touch with reality. I did say you were intellectually capable when the evidence you have provided suggests that you live your life based on fear. Are you happy? There is another way you know. My losing touch with reality like that was only temporary, I assure you.

[Mr. Magoo]

Jennifer, you posted this on the interview question thread.

Would you work to increase the personal income tax rate on individuals and families whose personal net income is greater than $500,000.00 per year?

Why should someone have to pay more income tax because they work hard and are successful? First of all there should be no income tax. But as long as there is one, it should be the same % for everyone. You are a typical liberal hack. Why is it my problem if someone quit school in the 9th grade and makes $7 an hour now?

Oh, my, Gip. You are Mr. Magoo!

Why?

You may be right about my having lost touch with reality

I am definitely right. you're thoughts on income tax and aliens assures me of that.

when the evidence you have provided suggests that you live your life based on fear.

There you go again spitting out the liberal bullshit of " living in fear". I live in the REAL world. Unlike yourself.

Are you happy?

VERY !!!! Thank you.

My losing touch with reality like that was only temporary, I assure you.

I doubt that. You are certifiable lady. Do you talk to aliens? Do you talk to your breakfast spoon? You are by far the looniest left wing nut job I have ever encountered.

[-V-]

Do you talk to aliens?

apparently she does because she has been conversing with you and you exhibit little resemblence to a real human being. Or, I should say, a "civilized human being". Anyone who suggests that "there should be no income tax" is a caveman who should live in a barren world where there are no community rules, police, streets, parks, government, schools, etc..

and yet you defend a President who spends your tax dollars (229 million per day) making war in another country, as well as restricting your civil liberties and implementing a Big Government that operates behind closed doors.

and you have the Regressive, Neanderthal balls to call someone else a "certifiable nut job"!

You were once named "Pinball Wizard" because you were behaving like a "deaf, dumb, blind boy who sure plays a mean pinball" but I think "Mr. Magoo" will suffice for now.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Ya. Take that, Mr. Magoo! LOL! Thank you for sticking up for me, -V-. That was great!

Mr. Magoo, what do you make of those people in the Christian Bible who said they saw, were vistited by and/or were given information from and/or were guided by and/or instructed by and/or were ordered to act by "the Lord," or angels or God? What do you make of the following taken from my post #7?:


"The egg was a sacred symbol among the Babylonians. They believed an old fable about an egg of wondrous size which was supposed to have fallen from heaven into the Euphrates River. From this marvelous egg - according to the ancient story - the Goddess Astarte (Easter) [Semiramis], was hatched. And so the egg came to symbolize the Goddess Easter."

Could it be that the egg referenced there was a reference to a UFO that came out of the heavens to land in the Euphrates River on this, our planet, Earth and from which a "Goddess," "... the Goodess Astarte, (Easter) [Semiramis] ..." exited? Do you suppose that's what that means? Semiramis was the historical Queen of Babylon. Did you know that?

I know research and analysis is not your strong suit, but you could at least entertain the thought for a moment.

Maybe you think all those biblical characters were "certifiable nut cases." More for you to fear, Mr. Magoo because, you know, "God" could get you for that.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

There is a fair amount of material on the internet about Clinton and Al Gore being Free Masons. However, nothing of what I read presented to me definitive proof of that point. The fact that Clinton and Gore were in positions of great political and military power together does in itself raise some suspicion based on the historical association of many people of power with secret socieities. For anyone interested in that endevour, it is worth looking into inasmuch as Gore is engaging in a run-up to the 2008 elections for President of the United States. Clues may be found in speeches and talks he gave during his life related to policy. Opinions of world leaders about Gore may also yield useful information in the search for proof and the truth.

There is no reason to stop at Gore. Every candidate for the presidency should be reseached for any of those associations. It may be more time efficient to research as many presidential candidates as you have together than it might be to research each one separately.

[Mr. Magoo]

Anyone who suggests that "there should be no income tax" is a caveman who should live in a barren world where there are no community rules, police, streets, parks, government, schools, etc..

-V-, There are 9 states that do NOT have a state income tax. Do these states have paved roads, parks, schools, police, etc? The answer of course is YES. Are these states inhabited by "cavemen"? Gee, I wonder how they do it. Liberals just love to tax the hell out of hard working people and give handouts to the "poor".

and yet you defend a President who spends your tax dollars (229 million per day) making war in another country, as well as restricting your civil liberties and implementing a Big Government that operates behind closed doors.

Damn right I do. In case you missed my other posts, I would rather my tax $$ be spent on the military rather than given as handouts to the lazy people that choose not to work for a living.

How have my civil liberties been restricted? Maybe I should call the WONDERFUL ACLU for help !!! They defend pedophiles and murderers maybe they'll make time for a hard working law abiding citizen like me.

and you have the Regressive, Neanderthal balls to call someone else a "certifiable nut job"!

Have you read any of Jennifer's posts? It's all aliens,secret societies and conspiracy. I guess as a liberal you buy into this garbage as well.

You were once named "Pinball Wizard" because you were behaving like a "deaf, dumb, blind boy who sure plays a mean pinball" but I think "Mr. Magoo" will suffice for now.

Changing my name again. Petty,petty,petty. But if it makes you feel better, more power to you.

Ya. Take that, Mr. Magoo! LOL! Thank you for sticking up for me, -V-. That was great!

Small minds are easily amused.

Quote:
"The egg was a sacred symbol among the Babylonians. They believed an old fable about an egg of wondrous size which was supposed to have fallen from heaven into the Euphrates River. From this marvelous egg - according to the ancient story - the Goddess Astarte (Easter) [Semiramis], was hatched. And so the egg came to symbolize the Goddess Easter."


Could it be that the egg referenced there was a reference to a UFO that came out of the heavens to land in the Euphrates River on this, our planet, Earth and from which a "Goddess," "... the Goodess Astarte, (Easter) [Semiramis] ..." exited? Do you suppose that's what that means? Semiramis was the historical Queen of Babylon. Did you know that?

Yeah, that's what it means... Are you kidding me? You said it yourself, It was a fable. People should not take things so literally.

I know research and analysis is not your strong suit, but you could at least entertain the thought for a moment.

Actually, you know nothing about me. I am not going to waste my time doing research into your twisted, psychotic theories.

More for you to fear, Mr. Magoo because, you know, "God" could get you for that.

The only thing I fear is liberals gaining control of this country. People like you.
I stand by my statement. You are certifiable. According to you everyone is in a secret society. You are the one who lives in a world of fear and conspiracy.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

It was NOT I who said that story was a fable, and Queen Semiramis was certainly NOT a fable. Queen Semiramsis did, in fact, rule Babylon. The Statue of Liberty is a tribute to her.

I will not be talking with you anymore, Mr. Magoo. You have contributed NOTHING to anything here and are a total waste of my time.

[-V-]

-V-, There are 9 states that do NOT have a state income tax...
I would rather my tax $$ be spent on the military rather than given as handouts
Oh, I see. You meant "there should be no local income tax". Otherwise, you're OK with a chunk of your paycheck going towards building more bombs for destroying foreign cities, then giving handouts to rip-off companies like Halliburton to rebuild them.

Do these states have paved roads, parks, schools, police, etc? The answer of course is YES... Gee, I wonder how they do it.

well golly, I wonder too? because if it's not taxes they're paying God is working miracles for some states.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

On Senator Joseph Lieberman, CT:

This I found the links below interesting about Lieberman's views on the role of religion in American governance:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLI...man/index.html

Lieberman graduated from Yale as did Bush and Kerry. Lieberman was a member of Elihu at Yale. Elihu is said to be named after the founder of Yale University. Then too, Elihu was the friend of Job in the Book of Job in the Talmud and in the Christian Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elihu_%28secret_society%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lieberman

[-V-]

jen, i moved 3 of your posts from here to the aliens thread.

Please make sure your posts are in the most appropriate thread, otherwise, for instance, the good information you provided on the topic of "aliens" will be forever lost in "skull & bones".

[Jennifer_SFBA]

The ancient Egyptions were tuned into the hyperdimensional physics that is directly related to those spinning planetary bodies that are in space. Masons have that knowledge and our system of governance was founded upon and is based upon it. A whole long story about it all is available and is here:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/millenn.htm

[Jennifer_SFBA]

There has been a fierce, no holds barred fight for control of the Whitehouse and government since the new millinneum in 2000. Known members of secret societies were and are involved. George Bush forced his way into Iraq, that very place known as the "Cradle of Civilization." Bush announced his plan to send a manned NASA space mission to Mars and intends landings on certain astroids. The continuing story below sheds light on all of that, and what a story it is:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/corbett.htm

[Jennifer_SFBA]

My research about the collision of celestial bodies that I had thought was the cause of the change of Eath's orbit about our sun was not extensive enough. Had I looked further I would have seen scientific evidence, since the year 2000, that there was a planet between Mars and Jupitor that it now appears litterally exploded. Evidence for that is that 90% of the astroid belt is located between Jupitor and Mars, there is observable blackened residue on astroids in the astroid belt, the Titius - Bode Law of Planetary Spacing is pattern incongruent between Jupitor and Mars and that the asteroid mass that was left behind in the wake of that planetary explosion is only 0.001 the mass of the Earth is accounted for by it's survivability due to it's low pressure crustal and upper mantal layers while that other 99% of the high temperature and high pressure mass that is missing is accounted for by its' sudden release into the cold vacuum of space where it "vaporized." What caused that planet to explode is involved with the hydimensional physics model that, it is now thought, involves that very dense star Sirius. There may have been a war too in the mix that triggered it.

An article about all that is very interesting and is here:

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/eph/eph2000.asp

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Still, I wonder at what sort of impact, physical and/or energy, it was that left Earth's crust so physically ragged and jagged if most of the mass of that planet that exploded instantaneously vaporized. Perhaps Earth's crust was ripped and torn open by an explosive impact that moved Earth's mantle violently. Is the time now ready for a cyclical repeat of another catastrophic event to occur with the star Sirius playing a prominant role? What role might directed conscious intention play in relation to that hyperdimensional energy physics model? Humankind's choices in the face of any catastrophic event may be people's willful intention to love or to allow themselves to be driven and governed and controlled by their emotion of fear.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

G.W. Bush: "... two of my dad's most favorite people; me and President Clinton."

What do those two swirls behind Clinton represent, one green to the left, one black to the right, in opposite directions? Maybe nothing, maybe something ???

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=2E3B7BBE-5CF7-4276-A19D-3075BF1C7815,6916C99B-090C-4849-BDB7-F047556449A4,8715B656-5472-4F10-ADB0-DBD7EE0FFB93,24FCD229-1306-466A-B5F3-CE60CCCB27CD&t=c150&f=06/64&p=&GT1=8404

[Jennifer_SFBA]

A list of Bones members said to be about 97% complete is at the link below:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bones.htm

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Occult ties include Islamic mysticism:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/thule.htm

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Relevant portions of interviews by Eve Lorgen, UFOs & aliens researcher with Andy Pero, government trauma based programming mind controlled slave, discussing meetings Andy had with Illumunati:

http://www.alienlovebite.com/project_superman2.htm

http://www.alienlovebite.com/project_superman.htm

http://www.alienlovebite.com/trauma_based_mind.htm

http://www.montalk.net/hostile.html

http://www.alienlovebite.com/matrix.htm

http://www.alienlovebite.com/religiosity.htm

http://www.alienlovebite.com/religiosity.htm#Religiosity%20Programming%20(Part% 202)





... One of the more bizarre stories Andy related to me was about his visit to a group of high level Illuminati, who were really shape shifting reptilians, that convened in an underground base not far from Rochester, NY. This happened sometime in 1989-90. He was not sure of the exact location, but it was an underground facility in a large conference room where a very long, dark wooded conference table sat. It was a party gathering where a group of tall, Aryan looking; older males were having drinks. One of the men walked over to Andy, and his human image phased out, as if there was an energetic interference that caused his holographic image to shift. Andy looked at the creature as he adjusted some button on a black box device attached to his waist. The man’s image shifted from a tall human to a 7-foot tall, 450lb lizard man, according to Andy. The reptilian shifted back again to human, and then said, "Here, I’ll show you". So he pushes the button on his waist device and his image shifts back to the 7-foot tall Reptoid creature. Apparently, Andy thought that his energy field caused a momentary shift in the holographic human image that the Reptilian masqueraded. The artificial hologram was maintained by a device that they wore on their waist. I wouldn’t have taken Andy’s story too seriously, except for a similar report from a Monarch slave who described the same thing—the long, wooden conference table, the same large view screen in the front of the room, and the tall Aryan humans who could alter their holographic image via a box held at their waist.

One of the more hilarious aspects to Andy’s story was his description of the chairs that the shape-shifting reptilians sat in, around the long conference table. There was a video type of screen at the front of the room, and each sitting area around the table had its own little light and computer console that came out of the table as if it was built in. The chairs were high backed, since the lizard men were all at least 7 feet tall. But a minor detail caught Andy’s attention about the chairs that these Reptilians sat in. He looked down to see that each chair had a slit in it, as if it was a double-bottomed chair, like two big blocks. When Andy saw one of them sit sown, he realized that the slits in the chairs were so that they could sit down with their tails underneath them! Tailor made conference chairs with slits in them for Reptilian tails! We laughed about that too, wondering when this would ever show up on Star Trek or Babylon 5. That experience was one of Andy’s first introductions to Reptilians.

On another occasion, Andy was introduced to a Reptilian, and taken to a private room, again, in some kind of underground facility. This time, Andy believes he must have been tested for his reaction to a horror scene. Or perhaps this may have been designed for trauma splitting purposes—or even an implanted memory. The Reptilian invites Andy in his private quarters, that looks like a fancy hotel room. He is ready to have dinner in his private room. A servant rolls a large silver cart in the room, like a hotel room service type of cart. The Reptilian opens the tray to expose 4-5 human babies alive and crying. Andy stood there as the Reptilian took a huge bite out of the live infant, splitting it in half, eating the baby alive.

Horrified and nauseous, Andy and bolted toward the door. The Reptilian tried to grab Andy but he managed to escape until 5 Grey aliens who stood guarding the door, zapped him with some device that knocked him out cold. ...

[Jennifer_SFBA]

For a long time during my younger years, I wondered how it is that members of the United States Congress, including motivated, newly elected Congressional members, come to talk and act so much like political policy clones of one another. Gradually I began to see that "prestigious," "private" universities such as Harvard University (The Owl Club - Senator Edward Kennedy; The Porcellian Club - Theordore Roosevelt '26,' Paul Nitze, U.S. Department of State and founder of School of Advance International Studies; Oliver wendall Holmes, Jr., Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court some of the same secret societies as Yale), Yale University (secret societies The Order of Skull & Bones - Bush and Kerry, Elihu - Lieberman, Scroll & Key - Dean Achison and Cyrus Vance, Wolf's Head - Mark Dayton, U.S. Senator, Minnesota; William H.T. Bush "favorite uncle" of Bush '43' and Chairman, Bush, O'Donnell & Company, Inc.; R.L. Ireland III, past partner Brown Brothers Heriman & Company, past president Bohemian Grove; Dudley S. Taft, president Taft Broadcasting Company; Rashid Khalid, Director Middle East Institute, Columbia University; Richard Roberts, Managing Director, Goldman Sachs and "expert" on affordable housing in disavantaged neighborhoods; Thomas F. Maniewitz, the press aide who announced the expiration of Robert F. Kennedy; Douglas MacArthur II, U.S. Ambassador, Japan) with roots in German secret societies; Book and Snake - former CIA Director, Peter Goss; former Secretary of Defense, Les Aspen; former NSA Deputy Director, Clinton Brookshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_and_Snake; LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_and_Snake LINK: http://www.infowars.com/articles/occult/uncle_bucky.htm ; Wittenberg University (note the lighted torch on the university's coat of arms) of the Evangeligal Lutheran Church in Springfield, Ohio with roots in Germany, named after the University of Wittenberg located in Wittenberg, Germany and where Martin Luther (see Luther's Seal similar to Rosecrusian's) posted his 95 theses critical of the Catholic Church with strong interdisciplinary programs in East Asia Studies and Russian Area Studies (secret societies The Shifters - John E. McLaughlin, former Director CIA and Ronald Li, founder of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange said to be the oldest of the U.S. university secret societies and The Wizards), etc., are connected.

2004 Amy Goodman interview, Democracy Now:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0122-10.htm

A partial list of university secret societies:

http://www.foros.gob.mx/read.php?5,261678

Secret societies are illegal in some European Union countries (Poland is referenced) same link as above:

http://www.foros.gob.mx/read.php?5,261678

Now I see that newly elected members of Congress are to be "oriented" (indoctinated and cloned) at "pestigious" Harvard University:

http://www.iop.harvard.edu/extcal/ca....php?mode=cal#