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"A war can end when the soldiers choose to stop fighting it." Lt. Ehren Watada



“I’ve come to believe this is an illegal and an immoral war, and the order to have us deploy to Iraq is unlawful. I won’t follow this order and I won’t participate in something I believe is wrong.” Lt. Ehren Watada


Thank you Lt. Ehren Watada for refusing an illegal war , all of us are standing up with you for your courage in taking your decision, and believe that we can all learn something from your courage.


"NO" for war and oppression, "YES" for peace and justice.


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Join Camp Casey August 16th-Sept 2nd 2006

Cindy Sheehan and Gold Star Families for Peace will be returning to Crawford Tx. President Bush has still not satisfactorily answered our question, "What Noble Cause did our loved ones die for?" One year later we are still in the quagmire that is Iraq. As of this writing 2497 of our brave and noble military men and women have died for this Noble Cause. Join us at Camp Casey and show the President that we will not accept one more death be it American or Iraqi.

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[FDRfollower]

"A war can end when the soldiers choose to stop fighting it." Lt. Ehren Watada

One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. :)

[Join Camp Casey August 16th-Sept 2nd 2006

Cindy Sheehan and Gold Star Families for Peace will be returning to Crawford Tx. President Bush has still not satisfactorily answered our question, "What Noble Cause did our loved ones die for?" One year later we are still in the quagmire that is Iraq. As of this writing 2497 of our brave and noble military men and women have died for this Noble Cause. Join us at Camp Casey and show the President that we will not accept one more death be it American or Iraqi.

Here, you will find all details about this event
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thank...ons/message/686

Hmmm. That link doesn't work.

Hello USAantiwar. Welcome to POL. There's plenty of topics to talk about around here. Try some.

How are they getting around the "law" passed down there to prevent them from setting up camp?

[Jane of Arc]

Welcome to POL usa_anti_war.

I understand that approx. 10 acres of land have been purchased for Camp Casey and a permanent base is being established.

Do you have plans to attend?

[FDRfollower]

I'm not sure where this kind of post should go. The scene was so bizarrrrre, I'm not sure it should go here or in the comedy section. :confused:

You probably heard about the large rally in Baghdad where thousands were chanting "DEATH TO THE US! DEATH TO ISRAEL!"

What does Condi say?

Rice expressed her confidence in Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's program of national reconciliation, which, in her words, "really does invite people to lay down their arms and to become a part of the new Iraq."

The secretary noted that the change from Saddam Hussein's "politics through repression" to democracy in Iraq is a change of historic proportions, and therefore requires patience and time.

"I believe that in fact we are in the midst of this huge historic change, and when you're in the midst of it sometimes it's hard to see what's at the end of the process," Rice said.

Such an unprecedented process of change is critical to the Middle East region and to the United States' future security, according to Rice. She stated that continued progress toward democracy demands perseverance.

"What [Iraqis] don't need is to have doubts that America is committed to them in this struggle in which they find themselves," Rice said. "What we need to do is to support them in this process."
Source: U.S. Department of State

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[Jane of Arc]

If I could add to your post FDRfollower ... not only was the rally BIG ... but it was made up of the opposing Iraqi factions collectively chanting "Death to the US!" AND ... they had posters with the heads of Bush & Sadam together both sporting fangs.

Which makes Condi's words so much more hollow.

Did the Nazi's lie as well as the NeoCons? They may have actually taken the skill of lying to a higher art form. Don't you think?

[FDRfollower]

If I could add to your post FDRfollower ... not only was the rally BIG ... but it was made up of the opposing Iraqi factions collectively chanting "Death to the US!" AND ... they had posters with the heads of Bush & Sadam together both sporting fangs.

Which makes Condi's words so much more hollow.

Did the Nazi's lie as well as the NeoCons? They may have actually taken the skill of lying to a higher art form. Don't you think?

The two situations are completely different because you're dealing with two different cultures and situations.

Nazi Germany: A good book to read, would be William Shirer' "The Nightmare Years" to get a sense of the situation at the early years of the Reich, from the inside. Overall, think of the period, long lasting economic crisis, number of unstable governments, and overall degenerate culture, then, brutal crackdown, terroristic police state, and economic "growth" based on the upcoming war drive that supplies temporary full employment. In that kind of situation, it's easy to see why the Nazi's had to have complete controll over the media.

Today's Neo-Cons: "Relative" period of economic stability, no governmental disturbance as far as day to day operations, and "relatively" literate population, and no overt police state presence, yet. In that sense, going back in history would help you. Read as many of Plato's dialogues as you can and also The History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides to understand where the neo-cons are leading us, since they are virtual carbon-copies of the the sophists then, with different cloths. The dialogues are about Socrates waging war with the Sophists over the fate of Greece. Thucydides shows you the result, the destruction of Greece. What helps the Neo-cons today, is the bad habit of the american people, lying! That's the best I can think of in the short time I have to post.

[Jane of Arc]

Thanks FDRfollower, but I was comparing the lying and propaganda skills of the NeoCons & Nazis, not comparing the cultures and situations.

And when a comparison is done the similarities are chilling. I'm sure Anne Coulter carries a copy of the Nazi Primer. The lies are as thick as beefsteak ... and both NeoCons and Nazis look people in the eye and state a lie as truth without blinking or flinching.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/fibel.htm

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ww2era.htm#Material