[proud conservative]

Today, the left is in mourning, and are wearing black, over the imminent demise of Air America.

The declaration of bankruptcy by that failing liberal radio network is expected to take place this Friday.

So break out your hankies and take a look at these expressions of grief (and unreality) from the leftwing mourners:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/09/13/air-america-to-declare-ba_n_29347.html

Air America Radio will announce a major restructuring on Friday, which is expected to include a bankruptcy filing, three independent sources have told ThinkProgress.

Air America could remain on the air under the deal, but significant personnel changes are already in the works. Sources say five Air America employees were laid off yesterday and were told there would be no severance without capital infusion or bankruptcy. Also, Air America has ended its relationship with host Jerry Springer.



My, NO severance for the workers from a LIBERAL radio network????? Oh the shame and inhumanity!!!! Where are the deep pocket libs to help these poor displaced workers?


This is another example of the inability of libs to compete with conservatives

[-V-]

My, NO severance for the workers from a LIBERAL radio network????? Oh the shame and inhumanity!!!!
...
This is another example of the inability of libs to compete with conservatives

I've been hearing about Air America's bad management for a long time. It doesn't change much. Good progressive voices were on radio before Air America and the good ones will still be on after Air America.

The truth is that the NPR crowd and compassionate, intellectual Americans in general haven't got the stomach, the patience,or the time for political attack shows, while imbiciles flock to aggressive, hate filled right-wing radio, "Pro" wrestling, and Jerry Springer's imbicilic TV show instead of his intellectual radio show.

The number of people that gather around right-wing blow hards (e.g. Rush, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc.), car wrecks, or monkeys flinging dung at each other at the zoo, is an example of the regressive dark side of our society. And in many parts of this country you can get more people to show up at a Klu Klux Klan or Neo Nazi meeting than a peace rally.

Therein lies the "shame and inhumanity" and it is surely nothing to be proud of Proud Conservative.

Btw, why are you killing time here at this time of day? Surely one of the cable channels must be airing a rerun of Dukes of Hazard.

[Jane of Arc]

PC~

It's sad that you have the need to mock and find pleasure in what you perceive as the demise of a left-wing effort. Do you want just one voice in America? Oh wait, of course you do. You appear to be all comfy, warm and fuzzy, with the one united, patriotic, militaristic propaganda of right-wing fascism.

Air America is not done yet. Despite the high ratings radio is expensive. Airlines declare bankruptcy and keep on flying ...

[Jennifer_SFBA]

I have listened only occasionally to Air America, only occasionally to Rush, Savage, Hannity, Buchanan, et al., and I have watched sports games only occasionally on television from which I disconnected in 1992, and only occasionally attended a live sports game. I'm interested in knowing truth in all things to the extent it is able to be known, so I search the internet, attend conferences, communicate by e-mail and sometimes meet with accademics, read, research, think and analyze, write and am sometimes also a presenter at conferences where I have the opportunity to discuss ideas with other presenters along with interested attendees. I serve on several professional politcal and legislative committees.

From my experience listening to political talk radio, I would say that not much of what liberal or conservative talk shows have to say approaches a desire for a high level of scrutinized truthfulness as opposed to character assassination at best and slander at worst. I think the reason is that they are "shows" after all seeking ratings and sinking to the lowest comon denominator to get them. There is no substitute for a fully informed, educated public. That takes work that is rewarding in very important ways for our society and our world. Professionals are out there, they should be talking and people should be listening critically to the very best of what is known.

For a long while, conservative talk radio said global warming was not real. The Bush administration changed scienfic reports on global warming, and, for purely political reasons, the changed science was aired on conservative talk radio. Liberals exposed Bush's sexual liason with a man back in the 80's for political reasons. In those two cases, the issues were and remain the realities of and the best known science about global warming and sexuality. People should be insensed, ouraged that they are being intellectually abused.

[MAGI]

From my experience listening to political talk radio, I would say that not much of what liberal or conservative talk shows have to say approaches a desire for a high level of scrutinized truthfulness as opposed to character assassination at best and slander at worst. I think the reason is that they are "shows" after all seeking ratings and sinking to the lowest comon denominator to get them. There is no substitute for a fully informed, educated public. That takes work that is rewarding in very important ways for our society and our world. Professionals are out there, they should be talking and people should be listening critically to the very best of what is known.

Hi Jennifer,
I wish you would give Al Franken a chance. Keith Olberman has spoken powerfull TRUTH I know you would have appreciated in these last few weeks. I also enjoy stephanie Miller's program. Truth with comedy. I enjoy AL & Stephanie when I'm (the driver) in my car and fortunatly I get them on a station other than Air America.

:sunny:

Progressive radio is GROWING and MIGHTY POPULAR.
There IS a lot of lying propaganda out there for sure, though!

[cat's meow]

Sorry guys but I personally have been very un-impressed with AA's choice of people...maybe they do need big restructuring. I feel ashamed to be a Democrat every time Jerry Springer was on the radio. The guy could not present a good linear argument for liberal causes AT ALL, quite an idiot in my book. I tried once (early on) to call into Mike Malloy and he cut me off, even though I was agreeing with him. Quite the Jerk. Al Frankin was about the only one I could stomach. If these are the choices that AA makes to put on the radio then so be it but I have no sympathy for it. Yes -V-, I have got to the point of listening to NPR almost exclusively unless I am listening to try and get the sports scores.

[proud conservative]

PC~

It's sad that you have the need to mock and find pleasure in what you perceive as the demise of a left-wing effort. Do you want just one voice in America? Oh wait, of course you do. You appear to be all comfy, warm and fuzzy, with the one united, patriotic, militaristic propaganda of right-wing fascism.

Air America is not done yet. Despite the high ratings radio is expensive. Airlines declare bankruptcy and keep on flying ...


You libs seem to want only one voice on this board.

As far as Dead Air America, the reason Dead Air is folding up shop - no one is listening to their rants.

I do have some advice for the left, try saying something constructive, (beside Bush sucks) and people might listen.

That is is success of Rush and Sean. They offer solutions. They offer hope. They allow those who disagree with them to call in and speak. They also voice their disagreements with their own party.

Things Dead Air America never did.

Ever occur to you that Rush and Hannity are popular for many reasons, the biggest one being that they articulate what many already think which wasn't the case until just recently??? I know that's a hard concept for libs to swallow because it requires a recognition of reality but give it a try Libs will just have to share their air time with Conservatives, afterall we live in America too.

Of course you have ABC, CBS, NYTimes, CNN, LATimes, Washington Times. I dont even know why you wanted AM Radio anyway. The left is always talking about how Rush and Sean are idiots and no one listens to them. So bother competing against someone that no body is listening too?

Rush is only on over 575 stations and Sean only has a littlle over 500 stations. They both make money for their sponsors.

[MAGI]

News from Progressive radio will NOT die.........too many of us know TRUTH when we FEEL and SEE IT as well as HEAR IT!

Paul Krugman wants to clear up the confusion over inequality which is, after all, Job One for the Republican Party!:

--"The New York Times, September 8, 2006

We are, finally, having a national discussion about inequality, and right-wing commentators are in full panic mode. Statistics, most of them irrelevant or misleading, are flying; straw men are under furious attack. It’s all very confusing — deliberately so. So let me offer a few clarifying comments.

First, why are we suddenly talking so much about inequality? Not because a few economists decided to make inequality an issue. It’s the public — not progressive pundits — that has been telling pollsters the economy is “only fair” or “poor,” even though the overall growth rate is O.K. by historical standards.

Political analysts tried all sorts of explanations for popular discontent with the “Bush boom” — it’s the price of gasoline; no, people are in a bad mood because of Iraq — before finally acknowledging that most Americans think it’s a bad economy because for them, it is. The lion’s share of the benefits from recent economic growth has gone to a small, wealthy minority, while most Americans were worse off in 2005 than they were in 2000.

Some conservatives whine that people didn’t complain as much about rising inequality when Bill Clinton was president. But most people were happy with the state of the economy in the late 1990’s, even though the rich were getting much richer, because the middle class and the poor were also making substantial progress. Now the rich are getting richer, but most working Americans are losing ground.

Second, notice the amount of time that inequality’s apologists spend attacking a claim nobody is making: that there has been a clear long-term decline in middle-class living standards. Yes, real median family income has risen since the late 1970’s (with the most convincing gains taking place during the Clinton years). But the rise was very small — small enough that other considerations, like increasing economic insecurity, make it unclear whether families are better or worse off. And that’s the point: the United States as a whole has grown a lot richer over the past generation, but the typical American family hasn’t.

Third, notice the desperate effort to find some number, any number, to support claims that increasing inequality is just a matter of a rising payoff to education and skill. Conservative commentators tell us about wage gains for one-eyed bearded men with 2.5 years of college, or whatever — and conveniently forget to adjust for inflation. In fact, the data refute any suggestion that education is a guarantee of income gains: once you adjust for inflation, you find that the income of a typical household headed by a college graduate was lower in 2005 than in 2000.

More broadly, right-wing commentators would like you to believe that the economy’s winners are a large group, like college graduates or people with agreeable personalities. But the winners’ circle is actually very small. Even households at the 95th percentile — that is, households richer than 19 out of 20 Americans — have seen their real income rise less than 1 percent a year since the late 1970’s. But the income of the richest 1 percent has roughly doubled, and the income of the top 0.01 percent — people with incomes of more than $5 million in 2004 — has risen by a factor of 5.

Finally, while we can have an interesting discussion about questions like the role of unions in wage inequality, or the role of lax regulation in exploding C.E.O. pay, there is no question that the policies of the current majority party — a party that has held a much-needed increase in the minimum wage hostage to large tax cuts for giant estates — have relentlessly favored the interests of a tiny, wealthy minority against everyone else.

According to new estimates by Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez, the leading experts on long-term trends in inequality, the effective federal tax rate on the richest 0.01 percent has fallen from about 60 percent in 1980 to about 34 percent today. Meanwhile, the U.S. government — unlike any other government in the advanced world — does nothing as more and more working families find themselves unable to obtain health insurance.

The good news is that these concerns are finally breaking through into our political discourse. I’m sure that the usual suspects will come up with further efforts to confuse the issue. I say, bring ’em on: we’ve got the arguments, and the facts, to win this debate. "

[Jane of Arc]

PC~

You're on this board, aren't you? I'm responding to you so ... you must have a voice? Correct?


Of course you have ABC, CBS, NYTimes, CNN, LATimes, Washington Times. I dont even know why you wanted AM Radio anyway. The left is always talking about how Rush and Sean are idiots and no one listens to them. So bother competing against someone that no body is listening too?


This simply isn't true. These corporate giants represent only their own interests. They're parent comppanies have a vested interest in spreading their global tentacles. Several are benefiting from the war in Iraq. Since the Reagan administration passed dergulation laws all the small media companies have been gobbled up. Twenty years ago there were hundreds and hundreds of TV and radio stations, but today we have monopolies. 6 big corporations own it all. The fouth estate, the watchdog media, in this country has been destroyed.

We have Pravda.

I have no idea if Air America will survive ... I personally thought most of the programming sucked. But what bothers me is how happy you are to see a small voice get smushed even if you don't agree with it.

Don't do that.

The "left" in this country ... which is the majority of voters ... are the workers, the teachers, nurses, firefighters ... everyday American people who are watching their country get destroyed. There is nothing ... NOTHING conservative about Bush. I'm an independent who appreciates both conservative and liberal thinking ... I am neither a Democrat or a Republican. I'm an American that loves my country and I'm watching the Constitution get dismantled and our fragile democracy destroyed.

I asked you a while back if you would consider being an American first and a "right-winger" second. Can you? If you can just be an American first ... we have common ground.

[proud conservative]

Jane, is this the way libs allow other voices to be heard? 2 posts every 24 hours? I have noticed ONLY liberal boards have this restriction - not conservative boards.

I am an Amercian first Jane. From what I have seen liberals, for the most part, are so consumed with hate and rage, the only thing they are interested in is getting their political power back.

With the war on terror, libs want to play by Marcus of Queensbury rules and kill the terrorists with kindness.

This is what sank Air America. You had the host openly hope Pres Bush would be beheaded by terrorists. Talk about the party of love and peace. They blamed America for all the worlds problem.

On the other side, Rush and Sean have never called for the murder of a liberal. Rush and Sean continue to rule talk radio because they give the facts, they do not sprew hate, and when people listen to them they continue to listen.

I find it amusing how the left savages Alan Combs. His crime? He is a liberal who has the gall to work for Fox news and Fox News radio.

Air America attacked him constanly and now Air America is all but dead, while Alan is still employed and on the air

[haus]

Jane, is this the way libs allow other voices to be heard? 2 posts every 24 hours? I have noticed ONLY liberal boards have this restriction - not conservative boards.

That's because liberals are better at writing software. Heck, we're better at writing in general.

Here's how Free Republic (the most active conservative board) deals with dissenting opinions:


Free Republic, like many politically oriented sites, does not seek to be a board that represents all political viewpoints: it is a meeting point for those to the right of the political center in America, and articles posted which contain unwelcome reports or views (usually liberal) are customarily ridiculed and tagged with the words BARF ALERT after the headline. The "BARF ALERT" has two purposes: to warn readers in advance of news or opinion articles running counter to the prevailing perspective of the site's intended audience, and to protect the poster by distancing him- or herself from those views or news reports. This is often used by "moles" from left-leaning discussion boards who want to present Free Republic users with news that runs counter to their belief system without getting "Zotted".

Another common term is ZOT! which refers to the banning of a user for posting unwelcome material. The moderators on Free Republic often ban, without warning or explanation, posters who criticize Israel, the 2003 invasion of Iraq or the operation in Afghanistan, or who express any opinion which diverges from the site's political purposes, from its discussion boards. Material criticizing the administration of President George W. Bush from a non-Republican perspective is typically not permitted. However, ample examples exist of criticism of the President and Congress for not being sufficiently conservative or living up to the group's ideals. Generally, the amount of latitude one has to express his views expands significantly as he becomes better known on the site, establishes relationships with other users, and provides evidence of adhering to the rules and stated goals of the site and its owner. There is no warning system on Free Republic, and no explanation is required to ban a user. A poster becomes aware that he has been banned when he attempts to post or reply on Free Republic and is instead presented with the notice: "Your posting privilege has been revoked." (more... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Republic#Discussion_generals))

[JamesP]

Jane, is this the way libs allow other voices to be heard? 2 posts every 24 hours? I have noticed ONLY liberal boards have this restriction - not conservative boards.

With the war on terror, libs want to play by Marcus of Queensbury rules and kill the terrorists with kindness.

On the other side, Rush and Sean have never called for the murder of a liberal. Rush and Sean continue to rule talk radio because they give the facts, they do not sprew hate, and when people listen to them they continue to listen.

Air America attacked him constanly and now Air America is all but dead, while Alan is still employed and on the air

PC - Please..... no more whining!
Respect the rules here.
You conservatives are supposed to be big on rules.
And please, don't demean yourself and this site by referring to the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity.
Think. By yourself. And post something thoughtful.
If you were able to do that, your Karma would improve and you could post freely.
You "Bush supporters" simply can not accept responsibility for your actions, shortcomings and failures.
Notice that I did not refer to you as a conservative. Real conservatives embrace a political philosophy and can be respected here.
You are simply a "Bushist" unable to see beyond tribal impulses and blind worship of your tribal leaders.

And so far, it doesn't appear that Air America is dead or dying or that conservative boards are respectful of contrary views(see Haus's post below).
How can you people be so wrong about so many things?
Maybe it's because your view of the world comes directly from Bush and Cheney through Hannity & Limbaugh.... and we, who can see, have witnessed how false, misleading, manipulative and insulting to our intelligence they have been.

You are welcome here... but, again, please, no more whining.

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The moderators on Free Republic often ban, without warning or explanation, posters who criticize Israel, the 2003 invasion of Iraq or the operation in Afghanistan, or who express any opinion which diverges from the site's political purposes, from its discussion boards. Material criticizing the administration of President George W. Bush from a non-Republican perspective is typically not permitted.
...
There is no warning system on Free Republic, and no explanation is required to ban a user. A poster becomes aware that he has been banned when he attempts to post or reply on Free Republic and is instead presented with the notice: "Your posting privilege has been revoked."

that is unreal and it says ALOT about the drone mentality on the right. As far as I know, FreeRepublic, is the most popular right-wing forum, and they all fall in line with that repressive, regressive, dictatorial, fascist, commi, nazi, SADDHAM HUSSEIN crap?

What more can I say but, PC, Sbd, etc.. please do continue to enjoy our progressive political paradise. YOU'RE WELCOME!

[proud conservative]

Since this thread is on the p[ending death of Air America, it is natural to mention the most successful talk show hosts in the world. I understand the fustration of libs. They have tried over and over again to find someone, anyone, who can go toe to toe with Rush and Sean. Each time they have failed.

Dead Air Amercia got 20 plus front page stories in the liberal media chanting they were the left's answer to Rush and Sean. Even with glowing front page publicity ads, they failed.

You say Air America is not dying. Some passengers on the Titantic said the ship was not sinking either. Dead Air has no money, no sponsors, and few listeners, For a radio network, if that is not dying, I do not know what is.

The bottom line is, Dead Air America failed because their programming consisted of one thing: Bush sucks. Like the Democrat party as a whole, Dead Air offered no new ideas, and no new solutions.

I though libs would have learned after 2000 and 2002, you do not win elections on hate and rage.

[Jane of Arc]

So what. Who the hell cares. That's all you can talk about while your sad excuse of a pResident wants to continue torturing people and keep 14,000 foreign individuals in secret prisons with no charges of any crime??? Do you understand that? They have been charged with no crimes! They are rounded up and imprisoned just like Nazis rounded up the Jews! You call this democracy? You call this freedom? You call this America?

I have no tolerance for fascism. None what-so-ever. True Americans have no tolerance for fascism. And if you agree with this ploicy ... I have no tolerance for you.

[cat's meow]

They have tried over and over again to find someone, anyone, who can go toe to toe with Rush and Sean. Each time they have failed...

Over and over...who? Name 'em. AA is the first liberal AM radio outlet of it's kind, there was NO ONE from the left nationally syndicated before...NONE...ZERO! And facts are when hosts like Randi Rhodes tried to syndicate she was shut down by Clear Channel Radio. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT NUMBNUT!!!! RHODES WAS MAKING MONEY FOR THE LOCAL STATIONS SHE WAS IN and OTHER LOCAL LIBERAL HOSTS HAVE TOO... going to syndication is a completely different step. You are a Rep, you are supposed to know the damn market and how to make money (LOL!).

First of all you are making some giant assumptions here and the syllogism of the argument is not working. You are in essense comparing apples and oranges. You don't even know how money is made is the media, you are a joke and poor excuse for a conservative Republican who values money, popularity, and hearing your own voice...

THe one thing that can be given to Rush he was a pioneer in political talk radio, as Democrat I do not deny it and actually would listen to him when he came out on the air a number of years ago. But lets go through the facts my friend, you need to fill in the blanks.


AM and FM radio has been shrinking for years
Rush is not an overnight success and had to fight long and hard for his place in the sun
Hannity came in on the heals of Rush and should be thankful, without Rush Hanity would have tanked quickly
Rush Conservatives have been 'trained' (like any audience) over many years to become his audience
Liberals generally distrust talk radio because it has been dominated by conservative talk shows
Air America is trying to find a formula that works, this is NO different than Rush when he first started
Liberals are not at all used to getting thier information from talk radio and it will take a while for this to develop, no different than when Rush started.


This does not take a genius to figure out the supply and demand of the media market here and it has nothing to do with the message. Pound hard and long enough and someone will listen. In fact, in many ways Rush is as bad as Mike Malloy was and Thank God AA was smart enough to figure out that Malloy was insulting the intelligence of the liberal listener. You guys seem to not figure out that Rush and Hanity do this same thing but all power to ya...that is what you like to listen to, sycophants who insult your intelligence...and then again WFF has a big audience here in America too.

[proud conservative]

Hmmm.. the libs have put up Mario Cumo, Jim Hightower, Ed Schultz, Nancy Skinner, Mike Webb, Erin Hart, and Lynn Samuals to name a few.Haven't heard of these folks - you are not alone. They all tried to go national and fell on their ass.
To answer your points, if AM and FM radio is shrinking how can Rush, Sean, O"Reilly, and Hugh Hewitt continue to add stations? Conservative radio hosts are growing while liberal hosts are shrinking. Rush is back over 600 station, while Sean and O'Reilley are over 500 stations. Rush is alo on the Armed Force Radio, and the troops love his show.
No argument about point #2. Rush did lay the foundation for conservative radio. He did something everyone told him could not be done.
However, Sean did the hard work to get his show started. He lined up sponsors who spent money on ads, and he puts on a good show. He allows libs to get ont he air (like Rush) He aeven has one hour per week called "Hate Hannity Hour" where only callers who want him off the air are put on.
Libs distrust talk radio because they fail everytime they try. There are local liberal hosts, but so far, not one has been able to mount any serious national show.
The formula of Air America was hate. When you have a host say how she wishes terrorists would cut the head of Pres Bush off, or snicker over a movie showing the murder of Pres Bush, then you have serious problems.
I agree libs get their information from other sources. Daily Kos is now saying Pres Bush is responsible for the e-coli breakout.

To Jane of Arc, well it did not take long for you to meltdown and go into the usual liberal diatribe. You did last for a few posts which is something for a liberal.
Facts to a liberal is like Holy Water to the Devil. The scream and meltdown.

[Jane of Arc]

To Jane of Arc, well it did not take long for you to meltdown and go into the usual liberal diatribe. You did last for a few posts which is something for a liberal.
Facts to a liberal is like Holy Water to the Devil. The scream and meltdown.

Meltdown? Nah. I'm just waking up. When it comes to un-American activities like torture, buying people, disappearing people and illegal imprsionment I have zero tolerance. That's something they do in Burma, not the United States of America. I notice you had no response concerning the fact that our pResident wants to TORTURE people, keep thousands in secret prisons and dismantle the Geneva Convention. I'm sure this un-American idea is just fine with you.


If I'm wrong ... and you find torture and the secret prisons (concentration camps) abhorrent. I apologize. But, if you rationalize and blindly accept this evil, anti-American swill ... then I just have one question for you. Do you wear your Swastika on the right or left arm?

[cat's meow]

Hmmm.. the libs have put up Mario Cumo, Jim Hightower, Ed Schultz, Nancy Skinner, Mike Webb, Erin Hart, and Lynn Samuals to name a few.Haven't heard of these folks - you are not alone. They all tried to go national and fell on their ass..

Do you even know how many stations Clear Channel has control of? You missed the point entirely. These people are not even ALLOWED to come close to the mic on syndication for Clear Channel. Do you even know how the contracts work for local vs national and how the FCC works?

To answer your points, if AM and FM radio is shrinking how can Rush, Sean, O"Reilly, and Hugh Hewitt continue to add stations? Conservative radio hosts are growing while liberal hosts are shrinking. Rush is back over 600 station, while Sean and O'Reilley are over 500 stations. Rush is alo on the Armed Force Radio, and the troops love his show.

Well, you missed it again. The overall AM/FM market (everything) has been shrinking for a long time is the point. This does not bode well for anything NEW coming in. Again, you are no marketing expert. Liberal hosts have not even been ALLOWED to get a foot hold on the national level to shrink from. It is hard enough that something new trys to get in that people are just not used to. Again, it took quite a while for Rush to become and 'overnight success' on nationally syndicated radio.

However, Sean did the hard work to get his show started. He lined up sponsors who spent money on ads

Randi Rhodes did the hard work to get this support and Clear Channel nixed it...

He allows libs to get ont he air (like Rush) He aeven has one hour per week called "Hate Hannity Hour" where only callers who want him off the air are put on.

Now what show are you listening to? Rush cuts people off in mid-sentence...I should know, I was one of them.

Libs distrust talk radio because they fail everytime they try. There are local liberal hosts, but so far, not one has been able to mount any serious national show.

Given above, you have no idea the reasons for this and have not acknowledge that I gave them to you.

The formula of Air America was hate. When you have a host say how she wishes terrorists would cut the head of Pres Bush off, or snicker over a movie showing the murder of Pres Bush, then you have serious problems. I agree libs get their information from other sources. Daily Kos is now saying Pres Bush is responsible for the e-coli breakout.

And Rush was nice to the Clintons? He was absolutely filled with hate and caustic remarks for Bill and Hillary Clinton as well as many on the left, and he loves to hear is own voice when telling a bunch of lies about them. Give me a break...if anything there is no difference at all. If you have read ANYTHING you would even know that I don't aprove of Springer and Malloy...those two guys would not help any station do anything.

See, the difference is that people on the left did not like CAUSTIC talk like these two guys use but you guys on the right LOVE that from Ruch and Sean...you have made them the successes they are!

And BTW, AA has reformated and is back on WITHOUT those types of caustic hosts, you are not very up to date my friend.

[proud conservative]

Do you even know how many stations Clear Channel has control of? You missed the point entirely. These people are not even ALLOWED to come close to the mic on syndication for Clear Channel. Do you even know how the contracts work for local vs national and how the FCC works?



Well, you missed it again. The overall AM/FM market (everything) has been shrinking for a long time is the point. This does not bode well for anything NEW coming in. Again, you are no marketing expert. Liberal hosts have not even been ALLOWED to get a foot hold on the national level to shrink from. It is hard enough that something new trys to get in that people are just not used to. Again, it took quite a while for Rush to become and 'overnight success' on nationally syndicated radio.



Randi Rhodes did the hard work to get this support and Clear Channel nixed it...



Now what show are you listening to? Rush cuts people off in mid-sentence...I should know, I was one of them.



Given above, you have no idea the reasons for this and have not acknowledge that I gave them to you.



And Rush was nice to the Clintons? He was absolutely filled with hate and caustic remarks for Bill and Hillary Clinton as well as many on the left, and he loves to hear is own voice when telling a bunch of lies about them. Give me a break...if anything there is no difference at all. If you have read ANYTHING you would even know that I don't aprove of Springer and Malloy...those two guys would not help any station do anything.

See, the difference is that people on the left did not like CAUSTIC talk like these two guys use but you guys on the right LOVE that from Ruch and Sean...you have made them the successes they are!

And BTW, AA has reformated and is back on WITHOUT those types of caustic hosts, you are not very up to date my friend.



So the reason liberal talk radio fails everytime is not because they do have listeners, cannot generate revenue for the station and sponsors,; it is another vast right wing conspiracy.
Talk rdio is a businness. If you do not produce the numbers you are taken off the air. Even Soros understands money will not save Air Amercia.
Air Amercia even had to beg what few listeners they had for money.
They had their shot at a national audience and they blew it. They sprew nothing but hate and people will not listen to pure hate.
Whenever libs fail, it is not because of their message, it has to be some dirty underhanded scheme to silence them.
While Rush was hard on Clinton, he never hoped for his murder. Unlike Air America has done toward Pres Bush. Rush never hoped for a bad economy during Clinton, as Air America did (hoping for $5/gal gas)
The only time when Rush "cuts" people off, is when they go off topic, discuss something other then what they told the screener, or launch into the kook conspiracy theories. Which pretty well sums up most liberal callers.

[Jane of Arc]

Excellent post cat's meow. Facts are a wonderful, non-biased thing, aren't they. :thumbup:

[cat's meow]

So the reason liberal talk radio fails everytime is not because they do have listeners, cannot generate revenue for the station and sponsors,; it is another vast right wing conspiracy.

Did I say conspiracy? No, you did.

You don't get the point again, you are popping off here with the consiracy BS; try some logic on the most fundamental of levels. Clear Channel does what ever the hell they want, and they can because they are a private company. The government can't tell them what to do, but they can get easier FCC lisencing because of the taxes they give the governement. You seriously have no idea what is going on here...

Clear Channel owns the clear majority of radio in the country and has a big say with who will or won't be syndicated. But, Clear Channel does 'lean' right and already has a formula for making money they like; AA is not going to be part of that formula and they do not want to 'build' that. It is a conservatave company (financially and politically) that goes with what they know. Hell, you never see McDonalds stop making hamburgers...you go with what you know. Clear Channel and Fox (Rupert Murdock's company) goes with what they know, enjoy, like, and make money at. They won't go to anything different anytime soon. If Liberal talk radio would have been profitable first then they would have gone with that. There are very big conservative companies like General Electric who stick with things that are profitable and don't change...and some of these things are labeled as 'liberal' media outlets and subsidiaries of GE. Soros is not a big player in the media like the companies I have talked about.

While Rush was hard on Clinton, he never hoped for his murder. Unlike Air America has done toward Pres Bush. Rush never hoped for a bad economy during Clinton, as Air America did (hoping for $5/gal gas).

And AA has gotten rid of people and are back on ina different format. Gosh, how much do you listen to AA anyway? The few times I have heard this (got turned off by Springer and Malloy immediately) I have not heard what you are so agitated about. You are closet liberal, thats it (LOL)! Spewing out...eh, forget it...

The only time when Rush "cuts" people off, is when they go off topic, discuss something other then what they told the screener, or launch into the kook conspiracy theories. Which pretty well sums up most liberal callers.

LOL!!! That cracks me up!!!! When I called in I said one sentance that was pertaining to his topic that the screener did approve and Rush cut me off, AND HE WENT OFF ON ANOTHER TANGENT!!! Who the hell are you fooling here!!! The guy is the SET UP king; man, those things get set up so he can be the way he is on the radio. He is ENTERTAINING you, and Rush is a master at it. If you were not ENTERTAINED then you would not listen and he would not be making the money that he does...you have a lot to learn here.

[FDRfollower]

Good post Cats Meow! :thumbup:

They sprew nothing but hate and people will not listen to pure hate

I couldn't believe PC would be numb enough to say such a blatent lie. Every other word these days is"Islamo-fascist" this or "Islamo-fascist" that, "Liberals should be burned alive" and every other word Michael Savage speaks (but he hates everybody).

True, Malloy was up there in the 'spewing' area, but if he's gone, good. What an embarasment.

AA is still on the air!! I heard it this morning!! :p Although, I turned to the classical station soon after. Bach is better than Al.

[Jane of Arc]

Ya' know ... Mike Malloy had some good qualities ... I kinda hate to see him so completely bashed here even though I didn't listen to him much. (He was a tad negative for me.) We all have different tastes. I find Randi Rhodes the true talent on Air America. There's a reason why she has the highest ratings of anyone on the network. She's one smart, tell-it-like-it-is cookie! That's my 2 cents! :D

[FDRfollower]

I find Randi Rhodes the true talent on Air America. There's a reason why she has the highest ratings of anyone on the network. She's one smart, tell-it-like-it-is cookie!

Agreed! Her humor is quite a pull too. I just wish she wouldn't say "I can't believe it." so much though.

[cat's meow]

Ya' know ... Mike Malloy had some good qualities ... I kinda hate to see him so completely bashed here even though I didn't listen to him much. (He was a tad negative for me.) We all have different tastes. I find Randi Rhodes the true talent on Air America. There's a reason why she has the highest ratings of anyone on the network. She's one smart, tell-it-like-it-is cookie! That's my 2 cents! :D

This is the bottom line:

Malloy's facts and rants were not solid and did not check out, he would tell outright lies...I did like his "Bushanostra" line, thought that was quite apt.

Springer is not even in the universe when checking facts, he was out to lunch.

Al Franken does check his stuff and makes sure what he is saying does pan out.

Randi Rhodes might be over the top at times but when she argues a point (seriously) her facts do check out.

They all can have any opinion they want but I would much rather check my facts with either NPR, the Christian Science Monitor, or another set of newspapers, etc.

All these talk shows on both sides are to entertain people and you have to keep that in mind, they are in no way straight news sources. And to say Rush is more credible or popular is like saying people like "The Price Is Right" more than "The Wheel Of Fortune." I might lean left but I have a real hard time listening to any of these...now I find myself, when trying to tune in during a busy news day (out of curiosity, if one of these guys is covering an important news topic) saying "C'MON" and pressing the straight news channel button.

[cat's meow]

Agreed! Her humor is quite a pull too. I just wish she wouldn't say "I can't believe it." so much though.

Rhodes is a good example of the premise of the thread being wrong. Over and over she HAS ben getting great ratings on the local/regional level even beating all conservative hosts in some markets but the big boys did not want to take her national, syndicate. Popular or a not, no one at Clear Channel wanted to take her and she ended up with AA.

[FDRfollower]

Randi was playing lengthy clips from Senate testimony by Iraq war Generals, and they condemned the administration, particularly Rummy for putting troops in harms way by not supporting the troops with enough equipment, training, no congressional hearings, etc.

I have to watch this on CSPAN.

Thank you Randi.

[chancesR]

Thank you. Krugman is on point. IMHO most of the neocons don't care for or about much of anything except their own portfolios and futures. No one seems to 'get' that we are each in turn - connected. What good if one gains it all to lose their soul.... to paraphrase an old addage. What good will the gated communities be, when the poor outside deside they have had enough?

[FDRfollower]

Even better, read Edger Allen Poes "Masque of the Red Death". He makes it much more... historicaly troubling. :eek:

THE MASQUE OF THE RED DEATH

by Edgar Allan Poe
(1842)

THE "Red Death" had long devastated the country. No pestilence had ever been so fatal, or so hideous. Blood was its Avatar and its seal --the redness and the horror of blood. There were sharp pains, and sudden dizziness, and then profuse bleeding at the pores, with dissolution. The scarlet stains upon the body and especially upon the face of the victim, were the pest ban which shut him out from the aid and from the sympathy of his fellow-men. And the whole seizure, progress and termination of the disease, were the incidents of half an hour.
But the Prince Prospero was happy and dauntless and sagacious. When his dominions were half depopulated, he summoned to his presence a thousand hale and light-hearted friends from among the knights and dames of his court, and with these retired to the deep seclusion of one of his castellated abbeys. This was an extensive and magnificent structure, the creation of the prince's own eccentric yet august taste. A strong and lofty wall girdled it in. This wall had gates of iron. The courtiers, having entered, brought furnaces and massy hammers and welded the bolts. They resolved to leave means neither of ingress or egress to the sudden impulses of despair or of frenzy from within. The abbey was amply provisioned. With such precautions the courtiers might bid defiance to contagion. The external world could take care of itself. In the meantime it was folly to grieve, or to think. The prince had provided all the appliances of pleasure. There were buffoons, there were improvisatori, there were ballet-dancers, there were musicians, there was Beauty, there was wine. All these and security were within. Without was the "Red Death."
It was toward the close of the fifth or sixth month of his seclusion, and while the pestilence raged most furiously abroad, that the Prince Prospero entertained his thousand friends at a masked ball of the most unusual magnificence. "

[Jennifer_SFBA]

If We, the people keep going down the same road, We, the people will end up where we're headed.

Recently I listened to Air America on my car radio on my way to work. Al Frankin talked about "the 'Islamic' 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center." People here know by the video professional analytical visual and eye witness evidence posted elsewhere on this site that there were no Islamic terrorist attacks on 9/11. Is Air America the liberal version of the conservative version of the deceipt, cover-ups and lies being used to purpetuate the United States government's business as usual that have led us, We, the people where We, the people are today? Where is anybody talking about American mind control abuses such as those that were suffered by Cathy O'Brian? Is anyone talking about the UFO/aliens cover-up and the UFO/aliens technology the U.S. has that could transform Earth overnight solving many of Earth's problems? The world is NOT as people believe it to be. It's way past time in America for truth and justice to prevail.

Please see, in the order presented, the videos at the video links below. There are two videos at the first video link, part 1 is on top, and part 2 is just below that part 1 video. Please see the part 2 video first.

1) http://www.freepressinternational.co...911-video.html

2) http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=15716

3) http://fpiarticle.blogspot.com/2006/...eceptions.html

4) http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle11222.htm

The general link from which I retrieved the links above is as follows:

http://www.freepressinternational.com/911.html

The link below is about the JFK assassination implicating a Skull & Bones, Bush (Illuminati) connection:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...K+assasination

There is positive hope. Good video links about the Venus Project, a project where the future may be ours if We, the people have courage and foresight enough to embrace it, and "make it so." Please see the links below:

http://www.thevenusproject.com/vgallery.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf1gZxmIDKw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsaSFonaa8Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc7x79kJ1S0

Jacque Fresco 32 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVOPkGAtt48

Jacque Fresco Nearer today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQXgVb8V9M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSbKfdOTRpY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbtbGcKiLiM

Now THAT is being progressive and very far from what Air America presents to liberal progressives!

[MAGI]

For the Mike Malloy followers and much to the "dismay" of bushCo:
October 22, 2006 at 10:40:44
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_sheila_s_061022_he_s_b_a_a_a_a_c_k__.htm

HE'S B-A-A-A-A-C-K...

by Sheila Samples

http://www.opednews.com




"Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts on the unthinking."~~John M. Keyne


Much to the dismay of the Bush Crime Family and the Flying Monkey Right, their most fervent nemesis, talk-show host Mike Malloy, will return to progressive airwaves on Monday, Oct. 30 -- a whole week-and-one-day before the mid-term elections. When you consider the corruption and scandals oozing like slime from the right over just the past week-and-one-day, Malloy's return is not a moment too soon.

Mike Newcomb, a Pheonix physician and award-winning radio host, has joined Sheldon and Anita Drobny, the original co-founders of Air America Radio, to form the progressive Nova M Radio Network,Inc. which will feature the popular Malloy nightly from 9 p.m. - midnight ET on 1480-AM KPHX Phoenix, the nation's 5th largest city and 15th largest radio market; and on 1380 KDXE-AM Little Rock, Ark. More information on podcasting, Internet streaming and archives will be posted in the interim on the Nova M site and on Malloy's website.

Earlier this week, Malloy said, "We're starting out on two stations, but we're already getting requests from affilliates over a wide spectrum, such as Seattle, Portland, San Diego, Madison, Ann Arbor...This is for real," Malloy said. "We're in it for the long haul. We just sat down together and said 'Okay, dammit -- We've had enough of this. We're gonna fight back!'"

Newcomb, Nova M CEO and Chairman, couldn't agree more. He and the Drobnys plan to lease or to own and operate radio stations across America. In his Introductory Letter to "We the People," Newcomb announced that Joe Trippi, of Trippi and Associates, has joined the Nova M team. Newcomb said Trippi, who changed electoral politics forever by his revolutionary use of Internet fund-raising and campaigning during the Howard Dean presidential run, will help Nova M Radio to "reach out to millions of us who share common values and common goals."

Internationally renowned pollster John Zogby, President and CEO of Zogby International, will co-host a weekly one hour show, "The Pulse of the Nation." Newcomb said Zogby will poll particular hot-button political issues and cultural issues, and each program will include expert guests and audience participation. At the end of each show Zogby will reveal the poll's secret results so listeners will know if they have their fingers on "The Pulse of the Nation."

Nova M on-air talent will be liberals who share the goal of "promoting freedom, social justice, economic justice and peace worldwide," according to Newcomb who, in addition to his own 9 a.m. - Noon show and that of Malloy, snapped up Peter B. Collins, a well-known broadcaster and media consultant from San Francisco who will hold down the 6 - 9 p.m. slot.

But Truthseekers know that Malloy, whom they see as one of the last true patriots in this country who dares to speak truth to power, will set the Nova M agenda. There, Malloy will be -- as Jon Sinton, co-founder of Air America and former president of programming, said upon Malloy's AAR firing -- "the heart and soul" of the network.

Speculation -- even a conspiracy theory or two -- continues to swirl around Malloy's abrupt dismissal at Air America. It came just one day after Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld announced that those who dared to speak out against his war were "terrorist appeasers" and "Hitler supporters," and needed to be silenced. Some believe that pulling the plug on Malloy was a shot across the bow of all liberal media outlets -- a warning to progressive radio and TV hosts to "watch what they say..."

Others are convinced that Malloy's "Katrina Anniversary" special -- incisive, stripped of all spin, a stark look at the total ineptness of the administration's response to the tragedy and continued cruelty toward this nation's poor and displaced -- is to blame. Or maybe it was his August 3 two-and-a-half-hour interview with Webster Griffin Tarpley, author of the 1992 "Unauthorized Biography of George W. Bush," and a meticulous historian who presented an iron-clad case that 9-11 is the handiwork of the Bush cartel.

Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen reacted immediately to the Malloy firing by announcing his site would no longer link to Air America.

"We will not provide portals to those who claim they are liberals and progressives but serve as information gatekeepers and censors for the global media elites and neo-con types," Madsen wrote. "The sacking of Malloy and the party purge of (Rep Cynthia) McKinney are all part of the censorship in this country -- censorship that is aided and abetted from the ranks of so-called Democrats. This country will not return to an even keel until we not only cleanse the neo-cons and fanatic right-wingers from our midst, but also those who claim "progressive: credentials but are, in fact, lickspittles for the corporate elites."

Madson told me that he believes Air America's "major problem is spelled D-L-C." He said the healthiest thing the Democrats could do is "conduct an old-fashioned proletariat-style purge of the Fifth Columnists in their midst."

However, as Rumsfeld says, "who knows?" With Malloy, it almost comes down to "pick a subject." Malloy has been around the block more than once -- his credentials are rock solid. He is a former writer for CNN and CNN International, a newspaper editor and publisher, and rock concert producer, among other endeavors. In addition to AAR, Malloy's radio gigs include WSB in Atlanta, WLS in Chicago and the now defunct I.E. America Radio Network.

Malloy is passionate -- outraged by what is happening to his country,

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