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Many species in nature engage in homosexuality

Heterosexuality is simply the tool for repopulating most species (there are cases of asexual reproduction) but there is nothing more natural than the tactile exchange of affection between two people regardless of what lies between their legs.


Birds and bees may be gay: museum exhibition
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061012/sc_nm/environment_homosexuality_dc_4
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With documentation of gay or lesbian behavior among giraffes, penguins, parrots, beetles, whales and dozens of other creatures, the Oslo Natural History Museum concludes human homosexuality cannot be viewed as "unnatural."
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Geir Soeli, the project leader of the exhibition entitled "Against Nature," told Reuters: "Homosexuality has been observed for more than 1,500 animal species, and is well documented for 500 of them."
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"The sexual urge is strong in all animals. ... It's a part of life, it's fun to have sex," Soeli said of the reasons for homosexuality or bisexuality among animals.
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One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said. Laws describing homosexuality as a "crime against nature" are still on the statutes in some countries.
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Greek philosopher Aristotle noted apparent homosexual behavior among hyenas 2,300 years ago but evidence of animal homosexuality has often been ignored by researchers, perhaps because of distaste, lack of interest or fear or ridicule.

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Even if one accepts that homosexuality is "unnatural" it does not translate to "unethical" or immoral.

What is common in nature is not the determining factor when evauluating human morality. For example, it is most natural for animals to fight or kill each other over food or territory, and for males to continually pursue multiple sex partners but none of those behaviors are necessary or ethical for human's in today's world.

[Madspirit]

Homosexuality is no more unnatural than left-handedness. It occurs in every species and for those...even some liberals...who bring up the baby making thing. I am a lesbian. My uterus did not fall out. We can still have babies. The only difference is....if I have a baby, it's because I want a baby, not because someone forgot the rubbers.
Madspirit

[cat's meow]

Homosexuality is no more unnatural than left-handedness. It occurs in every species and for those...even some liberals...who bring up the baby making thing. I am a lesbian. My uterus did not fall out. We can still have babies. The only difference is....if I have a baby, it's because I want a baby, not because someone forgot the rubbers.
Madspirit

I will probably say too much here but I think it does make a point 1TS and Madspirit.

...of a family of four kids there is one very conservative Republican, he voted for George Bush twice. It is my younger brother who is gay and is HIV positive. He still has problems with coming to grips with this, he is healthy though and I and my sister try to check in with him as much as possible (when he lets us). When he and I were speaking more he would confide in me and one of my sisters about his sex life. I never judged him and neither did my sister but we would put him in the catagory of 'promiscuous' (not a 'kiss and tell' sort of thing though at all). He has had problems with alcohol too. But, these sort of 'problems' go way back in generations of my family.

But all four kids in the family have very liberal views of sex and it being very natural...like you say. We all do believe it should be your own business though and it should not be a 'public forum.'

I definately see how sex and reproduction are fluid with one another, this is where I have a bit of a difference with the Bible even though I am a confirmed Episcopalian. sex=reproduction does not make sense as a hard and fast premise.

I think the stigma that my brother has to deal with impacts his life...as my two sisters and I say..."he leads two lives" Why does it have to be this way? I have colleages at the U I teach at that are very happy with thier sexuality, five of them are gay and there is no problem.

[Michael DeM]

There's nothing unnatural about homosexuality. As you can guess, sex and romantic love aren't just things people engage in for the sake of procreation. It's a lot deeper than that. Some of us find ourselves attracted to members of the same sex, some of us find ourselves attracted to members of the opposite sex, and some of us find ourselves attracted to both sexes. Nothing unnatural about it. How can it be a sin to love someone? I think the real sin is the prejudice and inequality the GLBT community often faces.

[NeoCon Newbie]

All gays burn in hell and they are causing the aids epidemic.thumbs-down

[Lionhearted]

All gays burn in hell and they are causing the aids epidemic.thumbs-down

Does that include Dubya? You know he is gay don't you?

http://mindprod.com/politics/bushismsgay.html

http://www.bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=39&contentid=2158&page=2

:p

[Jennifer_SFBA]

SD, as a practicing pneuroproctologist, I suggest reading the book, "EMERGING VIRUSES, AIDS AND EBOLA: Nature, Accident or Intentional?" by Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D. M.A., M.P.H. Below are reviews of Dr. Horowitz' book by various readers.

1) EMERGING VIRUSES, AIDS AND EBOLA: Nature, Accident or Intentional? by Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D. Horowitz is a dentist who got drawn into AIDS research when investigating the Acer/Bergalis AIDS contamination case several years ago. ... Like a determined blood hound, Horowitz kept after this story, nailing down every lead, every paper, every person. He interviewed, he delved into cartons of old files, he compared medical research articles, he looked at corporate/government collusions. The result- -combining Horowitz's story of the research with the research itself--is well worth the price. A key piece of evidence is a 1970 government document budgeting money for a biological weapon for which there is no known cure nor natural immunity. HIV, according to Horowitz, was probably spread with the early Hepatitis B vaccine trials in the gay community in the late '70s. Population control, CIA biological warfare tests on the general public, widespread contamination of polio and other vaccines, and Nazi influence in public policy are just a few of the topics Horowitz weaves together to illustrate this wedding of bad intentions and medical technology. Now that I've read this shocking book, I wonder: Now what? Will this groundbreaking, gutsy book make a difference?

2) I was so lucky to get a copy of Emerging Viruses in August 1996 at a time when I was investigating the real origin of HIV viruses. After reading previous books by other authors, I still had major doubts about the possibility of man-made viruses and the implications of their intentional spreading through vaccines in the USA and Africa but this book definitely brought me the facts, the names, the motives, the references and articles, in brief, the evidence for this most tragic and satanic case. Moreover, this book was for me a jewel to discover much more about many other State and World crimes and the who ? how ? why ? Its reading really was a tremendous trigger to understand the world we live in. Since August 1996, I have bought about 1500 other books, about 200 in English and over 1000 in French, either difficult to find (in France ! ), Christian books or ancient books of the 19th century about History, esoterism, especially the history of a web of secret societies leading the world since the French Revolution (and before...). I had the opportunity to talk with Leonard Horowitz and to translate his conference on the subject of Emerging Viruses into French when he came to Paris.The book has now been available in French since January 1999 and is also being spread in France; when I had the opportunity to recommend it in a meeting in Paris near a bookstore which had twelve copies, more than 20 people bought it or ordered it : everything was sold in a matter of minutes. I am most thankful to the author for he made me understand why such a crime against humanity (aids) had happened, which has transformed me by the Grace of the Lord from an atheist to an evangelical Christian. I strongly recommend this book to anyone in search of Truth. You will never see aids and its 15 million dead people the same way again. Reading Emerging Viruses was for me like an initiation to pass through the fake world looking-glass in order to discover the reality of past, present and future.This book is just a wonderful lamp, beside the Holy Bible in our chaotic world and its implications could bring you dozens of precious friends around the globe and even save your life. Watch out for the next flu pandemic from Hong-Kong or Beijing or the next Ebola outbreak and think twice - and read Emerging Viruses again ! - before getting any government immunization shot for very powerful wicked men think six billion people are too many for the planet and it looks as though they are ready to kill more millions of them whatever their race, country, social standing or faith !...

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Continued:

3) William Wagener TV Producer of "On Second Thought"

Dr. Horowitz has exhaustively reviewed the records, and I have verified independantly a dozen of his hundreds of facts stated.

This book is a must read TODAY, for anyone traveling, meeting lots of people for the first time, or going to the African continent. For the first time, the myth of the Green Monkey bite source for the rapid spread of AIDS disease, which under close scrutiny, it appears was specifically designed by agents of our Government, with the votes and appropriations of tax-payers money by Ex-Congressman Sikes, a southern democrat, who found ways to use his Committee position to financially help himself in his 1st Florida Congressional district. Though the fast spending and hawkish Mr. Sikes, is gone, the Tax-payers money he voted to spend back in the 1970's for research to develope a disease for which there was NO cure, is still taking, if you can bring yourself to believe and accept the documented track record and facts in Dr. Horowitz's book, still claiming American and African lives.

It was originally intended as a biological weapon against the Soviet's who were suspected of developing the same type of biological weapon. Or was there a more sinister motive?

If Hitlers extermination camps are empty and vacant, perhaps those carrying out the Human Death sentence are still among us and perhaps no vaccination serum can be trusted, today. Certainly, millions of Africans who were vaccinated by W.H.O. for other diseases in the 1970's and 1980's, are dying today from AIDS on a scale hard for the western mind to comprehend. How often many of us go to a friendly local doctor to get a vaccinations for us or our children. Do we ask, "Dr. can you personally affirm that you have checked all the microbes and know this serum is safe?" Of course not. If W.H.O. did infect millions of Africans, then a crime worse than Nazi Germany was done in the 1970's and 1980's and perhaps is still being carried out in another arena.

If you care your health and love your children, you need to consider the mountain of evidence Dr. Horowitz has amassed, and remember governments create "crisis" in order to persuade unwitting citizens to surrender more of their liberty. Remember, more humans have been systematically murdered by governments, than all the serial and other individual criminal murderers. A fact, that Governments around the world would like us all to forget.

If you read only one book this year, make it this one. All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing.

4) In fact, the evidence is out there and you just need to look for it and put it all together......Horowitz has done all the hard work for you making this reading hard to put down even for a minute.

Not surprised at all at WHO involvement and coverups...and pretty much sits with the Global 2000 agenda signed off by Vance and Co....

Great reading but scarry...

5) I applaud the courage of Leonard Horowitz in exposing the truth about what the government has been up to for a long time. As a researcher I have uncovered many things that are almost too ugly to be believed. There are many out there wondering why anyone inside the government or out would do such hideous things. I strongly recommend the readers of this review to read the book "Bringers of the Dawn" by Barbara Marciniak. This book may also be hard to believe but the pieces of the puzzle will come together when you read this book. But hang on to your seats. If you also purchase the book "Power vs. Force" by Dr. David Hawkins, you will find a technique that will show you how to prove or disprove anything in either of the above books (or anything else for that matter). The answers are out there. We just have to keep searching.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Continued:

6) Dr. Tim O'Shea ----California

When I discovered Horowitz's book I had just finished a chapter of my own book, entitled The Sanctity of Human Blood (amazon). Now I must go back and rewrite that chapter, in light of the immense body of research Horowitz has brought forth.

Emerging Viruses is a pivotal work, a landmark book. It is certainly not for the average reader, because of the technical nature of many of the medical concepts and also simply because of the overwhelming amount of information it ties together in order to support its premises. Works this meticulously researched can hardly be challenged, except by dimwits who would do so on an emotional or political level. Most likely those who do challenge Horowitz have not managed to actually read the book.

This is not some wacky conspiracy theory Dr. Strangelove whim. Horowitz has thoroughly demonstrated the plausibility and likelihood that -AIDS virus was deliberately manmade - it was deployed into populations in Zaire, New York and San Francisco - it was a longterm biological weapons project that got a little out of control - but it's OK, because the players are still in control: AIDS will bring billions in research, worthless drugs and vaccines, and political leverage.

The dynamics of vaccine development are brilliantly illuminated - the international pharmaceutical industry, the governments of the US, Germany, and England, the arms dealers, and the international banking institutions. This is the milieu in which the current vaccination program at large today in the US must be evaluated. Health, immunity, disease control, infant mortality -- these issue are secondary to the economic and political forces in play. What a shock - corruption at city hall. But this book goes beyond what even the most jaded of us have been able to put together. The entire concept of vaccines as a treatment for any disease should now be re-thought in the light of Horowitz's stunning work.

7) It is shocking. Not too much shocks me in this day and age, but Mr.Horowitz grabs you by the throat and slaps you awake. Horowitz's research is thorough and he tackles contrasting research and opinions head on, not leaving any doubt about the policies of the US military-medical-industrial complex to keep the power over many in the hands of a few. Does this inlcude systematically controlling and reducing World population (not just 3rd world, but the entire world) through the use of Biological Warfare tactics? There is always the nagging question of wether the release of wasting diseases i.e AIDS, Ebola were accidentally or intentionally introduced into the human population. What never crosses your mind however is wether or not they were introduced. Either way these were clearly man made viruses. This should be mandatory reading for everyone on the Planet.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Continued:

8) The creation and spread of AIDS is no accident. Horowitz details the when, where, why, and who created and infected thousands of Americans with the deadly AIDS virus. It's so shocking it's hard to believe. Get your head out of the sand and read this book. SL, Memphis

9) A reading of "Emerging Viruses" will make clear the threat we all face from a government with absolute power! It also gives good reason to all the Military personnel who are now giving up long and successful careers,and/or risking Court Martial to stay in control of their own health by refusing the Antrax vaccine, as well as to the parents who are resisting the Hepatits B vaccine for their children. You will also be surprised at what Horowitz's research shows about the cancer epidemic we now have. While some may try to say "this is paranoia", Dr. Horowitz shows the "facts" as documented by the Creators of these deadly weapons! His research is thorough and he tackles the tough questions head on. This book is non-fiction and more freightening than fiction. A little paranoia may well be in order!

10) The United States government has devoted much time, energy, and money to develop ever more dangerous and destructive biological weapons. Dr. Horowitz's book is convincing. He has researched all that is available to the general public concerning the origins of AIDS and Ebola. The ring of truth reverberates throughout this book. Those of us who "know" how this government works, also know that Dr. Horowitz has hit the gold vein. Many people prefer to keep their heads in the sand. If, however, you are interested in learning the truth beyond the governmental press release, then this is your cup of tea. If you prefer to remain ignorant, avoid this book at all costs! Dr. Horowitz doesn't pull any punches. He names those who are involved, including Dr. Gallo.

11) This book will shock you and make you research more about the consequences of biologicals manufactured and unleashed. The author has gathered a lot of material and evidence indicating that "AIDS" and Gulf War Syndrome have been deliberately unleashed, with "AIDS" appearing first and introduced into select communtities of White educated young gay men, beginning in New York and New Jersey in 1978, supported by documentations presented by Dr. Alan Cantwell Jr., MD, ally of Dr. Horowitz. You can do further research by reading Dr. Cantwell's books, 'Aids And the Doctors of Death' and 'Queer Blood'. Dr. Horowitz does not mince words when he points to the direction of our very own military "adventures" which have sought to develop biologicals which would be refractory to the human auto-immune system, eg., "AIDS"$$, or as Dr. Eva Sneed puts it, 'Some Call It AIDS, I call It Murder', see book! Well, if this review is not censored, then consider yourself lucky to have this vital info regarding the "NEW ORDER" and its most hidden objectives, which is Malthusian in scope, to drastically and severely reduce human populations on planet Earth. You do not have to wait to hear any of this seemingly "outlandish" stuff on the Art Bell show, just BUY THIS BOOK right now, and order several for your friends, too, and they won't ever think of being complacent in light of Horowitz's incredible book! Isn't this what "glasnost" should be about in this Democratic Republic, and getting truth revealed......eventually!

[NeoCon Newbie]

One man+One women=mairrage

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Two people who love each other and commit to living their lives together = marriage.

[Wafflepudding]

Regressive: "Isn't homosexuality unnatural/against nature?"

I might be wrong but I believe it is. So is modern medicine, transportation, communications technology, etc etc etc. If you want to live according to nature that's perfect, do us the huge favor and crawl back to the cave or tree you came from.

On a side note: If natural comes from instincts, my instincts tell me to shoot biggots in the head with high caliber small arms. Aren't you glad we have all progressed above instincts? :p

[Jennifer_SFBA]

"Emergering Viruses AIDS & EBOLA Nature, Accident or Intentional" by Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H.

The smoking gun Congressional document, a copy of which is in the book, is titled,

"Department of Defense Appropriations Hearings for 1970 on the Development of Imune-System Destroying Agents for Biological Warfare" that was funded by United States Congress.

Related National Cancer Institute studies under Dr. Robert C. Gallo are reported in detail in the book beginning in 1968.

Material in the book, building background, goes back to Operation Paperclip in the 1940s. Just after WW II and during the time of the Nazi war crimes trials at Nuremberg, Henry Kissenger was a key person who arragned for Nazi scientists and top Nazi intelligence personnel to immigrate to the United States. That is how Kissenger got his start working at high levels in United States government. The CIA was formed out of Nazi intelligence who immigrated from post war Nazi Germany to America. Studies are cited in the book for
1957 - 1958.

Fort Dietrick - George W. Merck of Merck Pharmaceuticals was a key member of the panel advising President Roosevelt in the development "of defensive mechanisms against biological attack; and they were to develop weapons "in kind" if attacked by an enemy which deployed biological weapons." George Merck put the Bio-warfare center there at Fort Dietrick together.

For Fort Dietrick's 25TH aniversary, an international symposium was planned dealing with "entry and control of foreign neucleic acid" into cells during (the process of human and animal immunosuppression)." The symposium didn't happen because of widespead protest from within and outside, but it does show that Fort Dietrick was working on it, and it does indcate how far they had advanced.

There were CIA contracts all over the country for various related immunosuppressant research (it's in the book), so research wasn't confined to Fort Dietrick, though Fort Dietrick is implicated by its' funding and associations as well as its' research.

There was a "homosexual" hepatitis B vacine study grant that had been supported by the "Department of Virus and Cell Biology of Merck, Sharp and Dohme Research Laboratories, Westpoint, PA." The "National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute, of the United States Public Health Service's National Institutes of Health" also provided grant money for that project.

Merck produced the hepatitis B vaccine that had the AIDS virus in it. The CIA distributed the hepatitis B vaccine that had the AIDS virus in it.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Centers of AIDS infection under epidemiological studies were New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Saint Louis, Huston and Chicago. Denver was included in the study, but was not considered an especially high AIDS case area. Those are primary cities where the AIDS virus the United States government created with OUR tax money was murderously injected into homosexual men through hepatitis B vaccine they had trusted.

Collin Strecker says, "PLEASE WAKE UP! In 1969 the United States Defense Department requested and got $10 Million dollars to make the AIDS virus in labs as a political/ethnic weapon to be used mainly against black Africans (and it was, in Africa, BIG TIME through a United Nations, World Health Organization smallpox immunological vaccine program). The feasability program and labs were to have been completed by 1974 - 1975, the virus between 1974 - 1979. The World Health Organization started to inject AIDS-laced smallpox vaccine into over 100,000,000 Africans (population reduction) in 1977 and in 1978 2000 young male homosexuals under operation Trojan Horse were injected with AIDS-laced hepatitis B vaccine through the Centers for Disease Control/New York Blood Center."

Here we have Dr. Robert C. Gallo working on autoimmune suppression beginning in 1968, and in 1984, Gallo is credited with discovering the AIDS virus in people at the National Cancer Institute where he had been working on devolping the AIDS virus to attack the autoimmune cells of human beings since 1968.

There is more to the story, and this part is even worse and involves all human beings on Earth.

In 1954, Eisenhower met with Zetas, Grays (extraterrestials), the ones Earth people commonly talk about having abducted them. Eisenhower traded military technology and advanced knowledge from the Grays for permission by the Grays to have limited access to American citizens who they use for genetic experimentation to improve their species because they are a desperate and dying race. Another part of the deal is that he provided the Grays secure, classified, deep underground facilities where they conduct experiments on unwilling human beings and where they live to this day. Because of their advanced technology and because they are in secure facilites far underground, our government, our military is not able to exterminate them, and they, the Grays, do have plans for our planet, Earth, that are disasterous to we who are human.

The part about AIDS is this: Working under the instructions of the humanoids from Rigel (constellation Orion, the star at the bottom right of the constellation), CIA and former NAZI scientists have developed and deployed malignant strains of bacteria and viruses, including AIDS. The rationale from the fascist point of view is to exterminate portions of the population considered to be undesirable. The rationale from the Rigelian point of view is to decimate the human population to such an extent that the survivors would accept [not resist] open control by the Rigelians ...

To read the whole transcript about this, please go the the New Age Room, the "I Saw A UFO" thread. All of humanity is in real danger as a result of Eisenhower's deal with the Grays who are here, and the Grays' intentions are very far advanced.

So, our government got the AIDS virus from the Grays, but then had to learn how to make it live in human cells, how to get the AIDS virus RNA, not DNA, to bind to human and animal autoimmune cells. That's where all the research to do that was involved.

The link below is a picture of the Constellation Orion. Rigel is the very bright star (stars are suns) in the Orion Constellation at the lower right. Grays come from a solar system that revolves around Rigel:

http://www.allthesky.com/constellations/orion/