An open letter to Jane, the brave new left, the disillusioned, the disenfranchised, and the world

[-V-]

Originally Posted by Jane of Arc

As I've stated, I've stopped watching TV. I didn't understand it's power until I did so. It's truly deadly, negative shit. I recommend 'unplugging' to anyone who wants to feel better about themselves and living. Anyway ... I still get information (that I control) from the internet, newspapers from around the world and books. I'm keenly aware of how the powerful few so skillfully control the masses like never before in the history of humanity. So, from my perspective ... this is what's being designed.

The present conservative streak has to end or at least have citizens believe it's ended. It's been a huge success. The rich are extremely richer. The American taxpayer has picked up the tab for extending corporate markets for decades to come. We've established permanent military bases in the Middle East to secure and control much of the world's remaining oil distribution. And thanks to the NeoCon's Pearl Harbor, 9/11 has left Americans scared and believing that terrorists attacked this country so much so that they've allowed their civil liberties to be severely reined in and an enormous military presence to blossom.

Well done!

But, they know the American people are reaching a certain breaking point, SO ... time to switch costumes! It's liberal time! Woo-hoo!!! Welcome back to fuzzy, warm liberalism! It's time for the people to matter again. A government you can believe in! Ahhhhh ...

Now keep in mind that the mainstream media beautifully, I mean it was flawless, executed the illusion that Obama and Clinton were the only two 'serious' candidates from the very beginning. But, damn ... it looked so real. And I have to believe that these two selected candidates did battle it out for the top spot. They have the same aganda, so it doesn't matter who wins.

So, Obama is the next president. What an awesome message that sends the world. Big bad America, who's presently loathed by most every other country on the planet, has changed! A young, handsome, liberal candidate has become President. And America has had enough of the old, white boys network that they elected their first African American president. WoW! The people have spoken! We are so cool. A new beginning.

I would actually be thrilled if it was real. But sadly, it's orchestrated. We don't have open, fair, verifiable elections. We don't have free press, but a monopolized media in the hands of a few. We don't have candidates backed by citizen funds, but candidates that are corporate puppets. And Obama is a Rhodes Scholar and a big time member of "the club".

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

So, the conservatism age will shift to the liberal age. It's like "good cop" / "bad cop". And there will be some mild, liberal cosmetic changes. Obama will bring some troops home. But America's bases and military presence will stay. We'll still be fighting those illusive, nasty 'terrorists'. God knows, where would we be without those pesky terrorists?

Jane, I'm delighted to see you posting again. You are legend here. A heroic figure, like the avatar that represents you. Your post is important and your insightful, outside-the-box thinking is vital to this site and this planet. That having been said, I must open a can of whoopass on your ass with a post I've been meaning to write for you and a few others since the last midterm elections.

As a disciple of Echart Tolle you shouldn't forget the key principle of the book you had me read -- The POWER OF NOW. Like you, I feel the pain of past elections. I carry the baggage of the past lies and corruption. But that past is not my future or yours and it doesn't have to be this country's.

I believe the power of now, is that if we do the right thing today and everyday more good things will come to us. There WAS a right thing to do on Primary/Caucus day. There IS a difference between Hillary and Obama. It doesn't matter how small. In the big picture, every small difference in policy, decision making, wisdom, etc.. impacts lives. Lives saved. Lives improved. Less suffering. Even if it is just a net gain of a few more lives that are changed for the better because more Americans tuned in and made the best choice available, isn't it worth it?

Yes, it's a stinking game manipulated by forces beyond our control but it is the only game in town, so I'm in. Regardless of the dice being loaded, a few thousand more votes for Kerry in Ohio could have overcome the fix. Sure, I know Kerry is "Skull and Bones" too, but damn it, I also know if he had won a few less American soldiers would be skull and bones today. For God's sakes, if only 600 more people in Florida voted Gore and didn't give up on government even the Supreme Court couldn't have ****ed with the outcome. How big a difference might that have made, if President Gore never lied us into Iraq?

Even if Gore would have duplicated 99% of Bush's presidency there is a little matter I'm sure he would have taken more action on -- maybe you've heard of it? It's called GLOBAL WARMING and it threatens to extinguish life on earth all together.

At the same time, I admit that I believe, as you do, that the rabbit hole goes even deeper, that the enemy is a Goliath much bigger than the band of thugs currently in our White House, and that all I've got is one rock in a slingshot.

A few weeks ago I saw the film Zeitgeist. It is the most profound and comprehensive account of the manipulations that have controlled our world over the centuries. The person I watched it with was totally depressed to find out how powerless we are. I said the film had the opposite effect on me. My whole life I have been weighed down by the sadness of this world being so screwed up, unjust, and cruel. To think that we the people made this mess drained me of hope. Zeitgeist, however, makes the case that a small group of very wealthy and powerful people are setting our course. It is a truth that can set us free. Millions of rocks can take down any Goliath.

Isn't it depressing to go to the doctor when you know something is wrong but he can't tell you what the source is so he tells you to take a few aspirins and get some sleep? You want the doctor to take an xray. You want him to find something that doesn't belong in that xray. You want him to find a bug up your ass because if he finds a bug up your ass then a real solution is at hand. You can pull that bug out of your ass!

Yes, politics sucks and TV sucks but your approach is like taking that aspirin and sleeping it off. It's terrific that you disconnected the coax cable from the back of your neck but it is a mistake to disconnect from the Matrix. That is unfortunately where the battle for public opinion is being waged. The Mr. Smiths needs to be defeated in the virtual world first before we can beat the Mr. Bush's in the real one.

Yes, the powers that BE may be playing "good cop/bad cop" but I want that good cop cycle and will do what I can to make sure it's delivered. I want that LESSER OF TWO EVILS and so should you. It may only be one step at a time towards a better democracy but I'll be damned if I'm going to step back. My marbles are going to be in the ring every election and I'm not going to take them and go home because some bully cheated.

So, yes, pulling that bug out of the U.S. government's smelly stinky ass is a damned dirty job but it can get done, one finger at a time and I'm willing to go there, up to my elbows if need be. Are you Janey? I plan on exercising my Power of Now today and everyday for a better tomorrow. Are you Janey, Haus, Jimmy, Magi, Jennifer, FDR, MDeM, Waffle, Thelonious, Lion, ProudGOP,...?

[Magi2]

I know you have no doubt where I stand, V.

I will give up trying to get back our rights and all that was good about our country............the second I die......... and not one breath sooner!

[-V-]

You are a trooper Magi.

A few seconds after submitting my post I turned on the cable matrix and heard Al Gore in the middle of his live speech, saying these words.

In looking back over the last 8 years I can tell you that we have already learned one important fact since the year 2000. Take it from me, elections matter:

• If you think the next appointments to our Supreme Court are important you know that elections matter.
  
• If you live in the city of New Orleans you know that elections matter.
  
• If you or a family member are serving in the active military, the national guard or reserve you know that elections matter.
  
• If you are a wounded veteran you know that elections matter.
  
• If you've lost your job, if you're struggling with your mortgage you know that elections matter.
  
• If you care about a clean environment. If you want a government that protects you instead of special interests you know that elections matter.
  
• If you care about food safety. If you like a T on your BLT, you know that elections matter.
  
• If you've bought poison lead filled toys from China. If you bought tainted pet food made in China you know that elections matter.
  
• Over the last 8 years even our dogs and cats know that elections matter.

A few minutes later I found this on Obama's site.

[Jennifer_SFBA]

Hi, V.

For the record, I will vote for Obama. However, I will put my energies into the most spiritually progressive plans, with the most spiritually progressive people on our Earth. All of our world's systems have got to be transformed. Unprescendented transformation of our world is what Obama's power brokers have been doing and continue to do in our world in ways that We, the more spiritually seeking people, are not able to tollerate. They prescribe war and disease and an economy based on worthless money backed by nothing of value to harness the people's labors to achieve their own ends. We, the people have the means to transform our planet spiiritually. We, the people need the knowledge, will and organization to make it real. I will be taking classes from, and working with Dr. Michael Salla in Hawaii when I retire. I am certain that my work with Dr. Salla will open up many other grand possibilities and opportunities for our world.

[Jane of Arc]

-V-: Jane, I'm delighted to see you posting again. You are legend here.

Jane: Thank you -V-! And thank you for your time, dedication and commitment to free speech by providing a progressive website where the rest of us can pontificate for free. All raise your glasses and toast the amazing -V-!


-V-: As a disciple of Echart Tolle you shouldn't forget the key principle of the book you had me read -- The POWER OF NOW.

Jane: You bring up Eckart Tolle ... he's probably one of the most apolitical, yet influential people on the planet today. He would maintain that changing the world starts with changing ourselves first. That means taking on the responsibility of raising our consciousness to a level where we understand the insanity of ego battling ego, nation battling nation, liberals battling conservatives. In the past I would of said, "Oh please. It's just human nature to fight and war." But, now I believe that humanity can evolve if it choses to and evolution may be the only thing that saves our species from extinction.


-V-: There WAS a right thing to do on Primary/Caucus day. There IS a difference between Hillary and Obama. It doesn't matter how small.

Jane: Obama & Clinton. Hmmmmm. These two candidates were pre-selected. These are not candidates that rose up from the people with popular support. Obama, like Bill Clinton, is a Rhodes Scholar. That's an extremely heavy indoctrination into the 'power club'. Obama is groomed to do the work of the military-corporate-congressional complex. (Thank you, Eisenhower.) And he will. Senator Clinton is the same.


-V-: Yes, it's a stinking game manipulated by forces beyond our control but it is the only game in town, so I'm in.

Jane: It's not the only game in town. There really are many options. More on this later.


-V-: Regardless of the dice being loaded, a few thousand more votes for Kerry in Ohio could have overcome the fix.

Jane: Ah no. The votes were there and Kerry (Yes, he's the Scull & Bones fraternity brother of Bush. I've had a look inside that world and I can tell you this is no small relationship.) never fought for them and conceded the race to Bush THE NEXT DAY. He promised to "fight until every vote was counted!" With 50 million taxpayer dollars in his pocket, he took a dive. There were plenty of votes to be counted - plenty of voting fraud lawsuits to be filed. Kerry walked. The Democratic sheep flocked behind him. That left only the progressive Green Party and the conservative Libertarians to fight an uphill battle with an extremely small budget and no media coverage. They are true Americans. They tried.



-V-: Even if Gore would have duplicated 99% of Bush's presidency there is a little matter I'm sure he would have taken more action on -- maybe you've heard of it? It's called GLOBAL WARMING and it threatens to extinguish life on earth all together.

Jane: Yes, -V- dear, I have heard of global warming. Let's talk about Gore. He's a very complicated member of the elite. He won the 2000 election. Let me say that again. GORE WON THE 2000 ELECTION. It is a proven fact established by three independent newspapers who under the Freedom of Information Act counted the votes the Supreme Court wouldn't allow to be counted during the election. (Yes kids, in America our highest court STOPPED THE COUNTING OF CITIZEN'S VOTES.) All 3 newspapers reported the results of the 2000 presidential election. GORE WON!!! There should of been people flooding the streets of Washington in protest after watching the results of the vote counting on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC!!! Oooppps ... no mainstream media reported the small fact that the true winner of the 2000 election was Gore and the people of America had the wrong guy in the Oval Office. It was a small column on something like p. 16 of The New York Times, "Independent Newspapers Count in Florida" or something obtuse like that. No big deal. It's just the presidency. It's just the nail in the coffin of democracy.

The true president, Gore, didn't take on "The Complex" and try to resuscitate our dead democracy by challenging Bush. But, being pissed off, he blind-sided them with global warming. I wish he challenged the establishment, salvaged democracy and then properly tackled global warming from a position of power.


-V-: At the same time, I admit that I believe, as you do, that the rabbit hole goes even deeper, that the enemy is a Goliath much bigger than the band of thugs currently in our White House, and that all I've got is one rock in a slingshot.

Jane: Yes it is. And I'll talk to you later about that powerful slingshot of yours.



-V-: A few weeks ago I saw the film Zeitgeist. It is the most profound and comprehensive account of the manipulations that have controlled our world over the centuries. The person I watched it with was totally depressed to find out how powerless we are. I said the film had the opposite effect on me. My whole life I have been weighed down by the sadness of this world being so screwed up, unjust, and cruel. Zeitgeist, however, makes the case that a small group of very wealthy and powerful people are setting our course. It is a truth that can set us free. Millions of rocks can take down any Goliath.

Jane: Millions of people who put down their rocks and understand that we're all interconnected and refuse to continue the violence, hate and destruction of ourselves and the planet will do the trick. Why do you think the pacifist are always the one's murdered or assassinated or silenced? The powers-that-be know they're truly the 'dangerous' ones who threaten their mass manipulation.



-V-: Yes, politics sucks and TV sucks but your approach is like taking that aspirin and sleeping it off. It's terrific that you disconnected the coax cable from the back of your neck but it is a mistake to disconnect from the Matrix. That is unfortunately where the battle for public opinion is being waged. The Mr. Smiths needs to be defeated in the virtual world first before we can beat the Mr. Bush's in the real one.

Jane: Ah ... just a tad judgmental. I am not sleeping anything off. And to continue the movie analogies ... ONLY the people who unplugged from the Matrix were capable of fighting Mr. Smith and the machines. So, throw out the damn television! Or just use it for DVDs. As longs as it's on ... you live in the Matrix. For a very, very long time I said .. I'm a well-educated, intelligent person ... I can see through the "crap". No, I couldn't. There are constant subliminal messages that strongly influence every person that watches TV. And according to Neilsen, Americans spending nearly 20 years of their lives watching TV! They believe what they see on TV as reality. It is not real!!! Everyone on this board thinks I've zoned out, I'm sleeping it off, I'm not involved or living in La-La-Land, when in actuality I woke up, identified the problem and unplugged from brainwashing.



-V-: So, yes, pulling that bug out of the U.S. government's smelly stinky ass is a damned dirty job but it can get done, one finger at a time and I'm willing to go there, up to my elbows if need be. Are you Janey? I plan on exercising my Power of Now today and everyday for a better tomorrow. Are you Janey, Haus, Jimmy, Magi, Jennifer, FDR, MDeM, Waffle, Thelonious, Lion, ProudGOP,...?

Jane: I applaud and love your energy -V-, but voting in fake elections for pre-selected canidates from the military-corporate-congressional complex won't do the trick of getting that bug out. But, we'll talk more later. There are ways.

[-V-]

alright, it's on girl. I've closed this thread to other posters so we can go mono e mono.

It has been said that "no branch on the same tree is foolish enough to fight with another". But if your branch bares oranges and mine bares lemons, both fruits will not be edible and end up rotting on the vine (like Gore/Nader supporters).

I literally had one of those grafted trees in my backyard. Now that I sawed off the decorative orange branches the tree enriches my world with a terrific crop of nourishing lemons every season. Sure they may taste a little bitter if you bite right into one. But when you water it down they make a nutritional lemonade.

(That message was approved by Chauncy Gardner)

Now, let's break these issues down one by one. No rush, when we can get to it. But speaking on the behalf of both groups that we represent, this needs to be worked out before November!

[-V-]

So, throw out the damn television!...As longs as it's on ... you live in the Matrix. For a very, very long time I said .. I'm a well-educated, intelligent person ... I can see through the "crap". No, I couldn't. There are constant subliminal messages that strongly influence every person that watches TV.

Perhaps there are subliminal messages. But I still seem to be reasonably happy and fiercly independent, and I don't drink Coke OR Pepsi or wear Michael Jordan's underwear.

You didn't throw out your phone because of solicitors. You didn't pull the radio out of your car because of all the crap on that. Or your connection to the Internet because most of it is poop. Most movies, especially American, are steaming piles of manure as well (and now I'm running out of scatological references)

No, I'm sure you partake of all those mediums selectively.

I agree that, overall, TV is an abomination. It is an intensely powerful tool that is being misused and is indeed poison. If I had kids I would censor the hell out of what they watch.

Personally, as an adult, I like having the option, though I confess that if I spend 10 years of the next half of my life with the TV on, 4 of those years will probably have been spent pressing the next button on the remote. Regardless, if there was a red button on that remote that would make TV disappear for everyone, I would have to press it for the sake of humanity. To stop the direction it is leading our children, our culture and our society.

But I can't stop everyone from sucking in the poison, so I will settle for being one of the watchdogs. And besides, .3% of it is terrifically entertaining or educational. (.3% based on the fact that if I flip through 100 channels on cable periodically, one third of the time I will find one thing that is truly entertaining or educational).

In actuality, the Internet probably has an even lower percentage of quality, but I do have more control over escaping ads/commercials and there are hundreds of thousands of channels.

That's the name of that tune, is it not rebel girl?

[Jane of Arc]

Hi -V-,

I think a one-on-one exchange is excellent. Thanks. And the persuasive power of television is a great place to start.

Let me clearly repeat that the average American spends nearly 20 years of their lives sitting passively in front of a television. They emotionally react to the TV, they yell at the TV, they laugh with the TV, they depend on the TV, they are addicted to TV and they believe most of what they see on TV. I know a lonely, elderly woman who told me her TV was her best friend. And the number of hours spent watching television will increase as TV's are carried around in one's pocket, installed in cars, public transportation, and added to most public and private place, including the streets across America.

'So what!', you might say. And on some level if you have TV, you must like it. But here's the insidious problem. It defines our collective reality and yet it's not real. It is the selective programming work of a handful of corporate individuals who choose what and what not to feed the public. These corporations tell us "the offical story". "Experts" tell us what is truth. And of course daily hours of commercials tells us what to buy and why we should be dissatisfied with ourselves. (Satisfied people aren't great consumers.) In short, not only do believe much of what they see on TV, but television defines our culture, influences our values and helps us design ourselves and our lives in a miriad of ways.

There use to be thousands of media outlets ... newspapers, radio stations and television companies were blossoming, until dear old Ronnie Reagan allowed monopolization. And Big Brother was born. Television is now owned by 6 companies with corporate agendas and little or no public oversight and control. That is dangerous. Extremely dangerous.

To wrap it up here, I can't stress enough: television is NOT reality. It's NOT real. Nor does it tell the truth. As a matter of fact, it mostly lies.


So, let me ask you ...

If you cancelled your cable or satellite service and stopped watching mainstream TV, what would happen to you?

[-V-]

If you cancelled your cable or satellite service and stopped watching mainstream TV, what would happen to you?

I wouldn't know which toothpaste will make my teeth their whitest, what to do about my "restless leg syndrome" or all the terrific things Exxon/Mobile is doing or the Pharmaceutical Industry. Montel Williams tells me they "care".

Actually, I would seek out the same type of entertainment/information I extracted from the TV screen on the computer screen.

The days of commercial TV are numbered as the TV screen and computer screen will continue to merge until there is no difference between them. TV is becoming more interactive and the Internet is delivering more video. Phone will be combined. One box will do it all, only the dimensions of the box will differ depending on whether it is in your living room or on your wrist.

Unfortunately, the only other difference will be that the wireless mouse replaces the remote control as your implement of discretion, and we will still have to deal with Coke, Pepsi, and Jordan's underwear. Without major changes, the U.S. will be infecting the globe with our consumer driven priorities via the Internet.

Those priorities are clearly defined when CEO Bush announces that the peons will all receive a $600 rebate check which we should go out and spend, instead of asking for sacrifices during a time of war as other Presidents did. Those checks are simply another "stimulus" package for the sellers at the top who will trickle down their urine on the peoples before they hire more or pay more.

Rescinding those tax breaks for the rich, yet another big reason to actively choose between Obama and McCain.

Anyway, for those who can afford it, Tivo is a device now that gives us more control. Make some choices, record them, fast forward through the commercials. Of course, there is no telling what the ramifications might be for fast forwarding through subliminal messages. If a fly lands on the screen during the fast forward we might find ourselves leaving our houses in a desperate search of a dog turd instead of "Head-On, the headache remedy applied directly to the forehead!"

[Jane of Arc]

Hi -V-,

Sorry. But that was too glib an answer. You UNDERSTAND what effect our mainstream media has on the public. You KNOW the power it wields. You get it. You should understand the difference between getting information from a computer and the entity called the BOOB TUBE.

So, I ask you again, in all seriousness ... why do you watch TV and what would happen if you unplugged from the Matrix?

Or is it because you don't know life without television ... you can't honestly answer?

[-V-]

To reiterate and elaborate,
I watch TV because there are programs I enjoy. Specifically, Jon Stewart, Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher, some unique and informative programs on PBS, the Discovery Channel, National Geographic Channel, Independent Film Channel and Saturday Night Live tickles my funny bone. Regarding news, I tap into CNN to see what the left & right are saying just like I pull up AP news online to see what is and isn't being disseminated to the public.

I do have Tivo so I don't have to watch commercials.

What would happen if I unplugged my TV?
The same thing if I uplugged my toaster -- absolutely nothing. As I said, I would find other sources for that entertainment and information, and for browning bread if need be.

What would happen if everyone uplugged their TV?
The changes would be profound.

I've conceded the evils of TV and confessed to be willing to press the button that would eliminate it for us all. I feel the same way about alcohol. I enjoy a beer or cocktail once in a while but considering how addictive and destructive it is for too many others, I'd press the button on that too. I'm not saying, however, that I would throw people in jail for drinking or watching TV.

If there is an additional point to continuing this line of questioning, prosecutor, I suggest you make it.

[Jane of Arc]

Thank you.

Now you have to get down on the floor. Don't ask any questions and when I say go, you move as fast as you can into the cubicle across the hall. Good. Stay here for right now, but see that office at the end of the hall? When I say move, run as fast as you can into that room, lock the door and go out the window. When you're on the ledge you'll see ... Neo, you can do this. If you can't that's alright ...


Thank you for your answer about television. So, ... you believe unplugging your television would have the same effect on you as unplugging your toaster? Really? Your toaster can 'tickle your funny bone'?

The only way we'll ever really find out is if you swallow the red pill.

As long as you have TV on, you're being influenced. You're soaking in the manufactured version of reality with it's manufactured politics and manufactured news. I'm sure you think you carefully and selectively sift through it, but it's still radioactive material.



Could you briefly answer the following question, if you don't mind, sir? This isn't a left field question, but an important one and germane to our discussion.

What happened in America on 9/11?


Thank you in advance.

[-V-]

What happened in America on 9/11?

OK. This is how I'd piece it together.

Who did it and why? (any combination of the following):
Factions inside our country knew of terrorist plans to use hijacked planes as missiles and either allowed, aided, guided, or enhanced its execution in order to enact their own agenda rooted in consolidating power and wealth in the U.S. and extending it into the Middle East. They created a super villain (yet to be captured) and a perpetual enemy (never to be defeated) in order to make citizens fearful, willing to sacrifice their civil liberties, and unwilling to dissent. With Americans fat, happy, and benevolent after decades of peace and prosperity, they knew it would take something on the scale of a Pearl Harbor.

Whether or not they were involved, the parties with a motive include:

• Oil companies, defense contractors, and select financial institutions.
  
• Religious extremists who believe there will be an ultimate battle for "the promised land" and need the U.S. motivated against their enemies.
  
• Members of the Bush administration who were floundering before 9/11 and flourished thereafter. Fear mongering (in addition to vote tampering) was just enough to enable re-election. They needed an excuse to advance oil related agendas in Afghan and Iraq and may have rationalized that the greater good was to remove tyrants in the "Axis of Evil" and democratize and Christianize that part of the world. 3 buildings and 3,000 lives is a small price to pay in comparison to millions of lives and entire countries that have been decimated in past wars waged for the "greater good" and/or power and wealth.
  
• The WTC owners, the Silverstein Group, who purchased the lease 6 months before 9/11 even though it needed $200 million in mandated renovations and who now stand to make billions more than they paid for it from the insurance coverage.
  
• The mayor of N.Y. who was vaulted to national prominence and an eventual Presidential campaign.
  

Why No One Squeals?
It may have only required key figures in key places and a crew of extremist foot soldiers. If the current administration was actively involved, I doubt Bush was in on everything, that he wanted to be or that it was wise for him to be. Perhaps some of these people are the same who pulled off the:

• assassination of President Kennedy, who wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve, CIA, and end the Vietnam War,
  
• assassination of Robert Kennedy, who would put them at risk if elected
  
• plane crash of John Kennedy Jr. also destined for the White House
  
• plane crash of left-wing war opponent Senator Paul Wellstone in the middle of his hotly contested fight for re-election to a Congress split down the middle. If they can make a President disappear, any squealer knows they can make any of their loved ones disappear too.

How did they accomplish it?
Apparently, weeks prior to 9/11 a whole floor of the WTC was off limits to everyone but a construction crew. Coincidentally, up until a year before 9/11 President Bush's brother worked for a company with a contract for security work on the WTC which continued up until 9/11. Demolition methods were applied to ensure that the towers pancaked cleanly on themselves. Building 7, containing vital records, was "pulled" in a 2nd demolition.

I won't even get into the other 2 "magical" planes.

How did they cover up their roles and/or negligence?
Bush suppressed the investigation into 9/11 and refused to testify under oath and without Cheney by his side. If any one member of the 9/11 commission raised an objection to any content it was not included in their report. The media still does not dare raise such "unpatriotic" questions even though there is nothing more patriotic than holding our civil servants accountable for any and all errors or injustices. Both sides of Congress took impeachment "off the table" because they know an in depth investigation into 9/11 or other dasterdly Bush deeds will, at a minimum, incriminate them all for not doing the job of protecting us and the constitution from him long ago.

The floor is yours counselor...

[Jane of Arc]

WoW -V-! Thank you! You've restored my faith.

Let the discussion continue!

Perhaps some of these people are the same who pulled off the assassination of President Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, who would put them at risk if elected, and the plane crashes of John Kennedy Jr. also destined for the White House, and left-wing war opponent Senator Paul Wellstone in the middle of his hotly contested fight for re-election to a Congress split down the middle. If they can make a President disappear, any squealer knows they can make any of their loved ones disappear too

1. Yes, 'these people' found the Kennedy's to be loose cannons.

2. 'These people' were scared to the bone by the power of the social revolutions in the 60's. 'These people' also found Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and John Lennon a threat. And now ... television and radio and newspapers are in the hands of 'these people'.

3. And 'these people' also understand and learned that a simple dictatorship would never work in America and the global image of America as a 'free nation' is essential in controlling the rest of the world.

4. 'These people' needed 9/11 to set the stage for global corporate and military interests for decades to come ... "global terrorism" is their ticket.

5. 'These people' know it's essential to have the president of "the biggest military power the world has ever seen" to be one of their selected player. (Obama & Clinton both Rhodes Scholars. No mistake.)

6. 'These people' would not risk their growing global power and wealth and their design for the future of the world and even the 'space' off the earth's surface to the whim of the American people and real grassroot candidates that have the true interests of the American people in mind.

7. Follow the money.


What do you think -V-?

[-V-]

I think we should keep in mind that the more we allude to the mysterious "they" the more some will use it as an excuse to dismiss the whole hypothesis.

Similarly, extending the list of their victims to MLK, X, and Lennon, though plausible, is another likely turn off. In those cases, there certainly were enough hate mongers and wing-nuts with enough access to get the deeds done without the support of "them".

I'll say this, though. If I were the Republicans, I'd pay to double the security on Obama. As the Godfather said to the other dons, "If any accident should befall my son, even if he should get hit by lightning, I'm going to blame someone in this room". After what's gone down the past few decades, even if Obama trips and bumps his head, I'm blaming the Republicans. This time, America will not buy into any uncanny equipment failure, lone gunman, or Pat Tillman friendly-fire scenarios.

You are right about following the money. It has always been more revealing than a fingerprint or DNA. The film Zeitgeist offers insights as to "their" identity.

I ask you Jane. Regarding 9/11, the election fixes and assassinations, WHO ARE THEY?

[Jane of Arc]

I ask you Jane. Regarding 9/11, the election fixes and assassinations, WHO ARE THEY?

You need to spend just an hour and do some research. I have read quite a few reliable books on the subject. If you get into it and want me to provide you book titles and authors, let me know. But just to get an idea if you don't know, start by googling a variety of different sources on the following:

(1) The Eastern Establishment

(2) CFR - Council on Foreign Relations

(3) The Trilateral Commission

(4) The Bilderbergs

(5) Project for a New American Century - PNAC


Then, please explain to me why in the world you think Obama isn't "one of them"?

5. 'These people' know it's essential to have the president of "the biggest military power the world has ever seen" to be one of their selected players. (Obama & Clinton both Rhodes Scholars. No mistake.)

6. 'These people' would not risk their growing global power and wealth and their design for the future of the world and even the 'space' off the earth's surface to the whim of the American people and real grassroot candidates that have the true interests of the American people in mind.

Peace,
Jane

"There comes a time when silence is betrayal ..."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

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J, J, J...

I appreciate the clues, and I did some googling, however, do you mind if I take advantage of all the many hours of reading and research you have already done? Repeating that Obama is a Rhodes Scholar does nothing but weaken the theory for me or anyone else reading this. If you or I accepted a Rhodes Scholarship does that make us one of "those" who are in on the "new world order"?

I know there is more info already on this forum, and we can surely expand on those later. But it would be nice if this thread could be a logical, well reasoned introduction to more extreme political views that deserve more exposure to the casual observer. When we are done, I'll make it a sticky thread so new visitors can get a feel for what goes on at POL.

So instead of merely lighting up a cigarette in a dark parking garage and whispering "follow the money", could you talk to me like I'm a 9 year old and you've only got 5 minutes to convince me? Similar to the way I tried to make sense of 9/11 in a few paragraphs.

In your learned opinion:

Who the leaders? (names if possible)

How are the groups you mentioned tied together? It would be very difficult to impose their will if their will isn't exactly the same.

In general, 9/11 and assassinations aside, how do they impose their will -- execute their decisions/intentions/goals?

Specifically, how do they assure the election of the candidate they choose?

If you can make a convincing opening argument, people will explore further on their own. But first, demonstrate how such a thing is even possible...

[Jane of Arc]

Ok ...

Ugh.

First of all, I'm just a nobody American, who was really sucked into the poltical system. And now I just can't be. I'm watching and studying. I don't have the answers ... I just know things have been going down the drain in America and I'm trying to figure out why. Instead of watching TV and mainstream news, I unplugged, and with what free time I have I blog, read and try to sort stuff out. It's a quagmire.

Let's start with a recent event before Hillary ended her campaign ... both Hillary and Obama disappeared on June 6. Reporters following Obama claimed they were kidnapped and flown to Chicago. The CNN video is on You Tube. Then Dianne Feinstein 'saves the day' and claims Hillary and Obama were at her house having a private meeting, but no reporters saw a glimpse of either one of them. And you know what was happening for 3 days in Chantilly, VA? The Bilderberg Conference with all the globalist heavies.

I kinda figured this out on my own ... and then I found some stuff on the Daily Kos and another cool blogger, The World According to Americagoy, who put the pieces together much better.

Take your time. Read all the links. It's a place to start.

http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008...obama-and.html


PS - Extreme political views? Geesh. My views aren't very extreme at all in the blogosphere, but on POL they seem to be. Right now for information the quagmire internet is the only game in town and it's work. But in looking for the truth, if anyone is interested in the truth and not security, the last time I looked the electoral system in the US is still broken, manipulated and corrupt and the Democratic majority in Congress didn't even try to fix it. What's that about? Why aren't the Democrats on this site just a little suspect? That should be a HUGE, HUGE, HUGE wake up call, but not many seem to care. I can't stand it when Republicans can only follow party talking points. But, I expect more of Democrats. I guess I shouldn't. If we ever needed a free press, it's now.

[Jane of Arc]

I can't answer all the following questions you asked as easily as answering what happened on 9/11. That was one event. But, I'll try to give you an overview. I don't have tons of time ... I'll have to do it in pieces:

Who the leaders? (names if possible)

We can break the three main blocks of power of the global union into the Japanese, North American and European. The kingpin of the global union is David Rockefeller. The three main groups are the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission.

David Rockefeller http://archive.rockefeller.edu/bio/david.php is the Honorary Chairman of the CFR http://www.cfr.org/about/people/board_of_directors.html and the founder and Honorary Chairman of the Trilateral Commission. http://www.trilateral.org/memb.htm Here's some members of the Bilderberg Group: http://www.nndb.com/org/514/000042388/ http://johnfenzel.typepad.com/john_f...n-agendas.html

These people are the global elites. They get together and make global policies. The run the world banks, global markets and control trade. For example, for most of the past century all the chairmen of Chase Manhattan Bank, Citibank, Chemical Bank, Morgan Guaranty Trust Co. and the New York Federal Reserve Bank were members of the Council on Foreign Relations and many were members of the Bilderbergs and Trilateral Commission.


More later ...

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now we're getting somewhere...

Let's say that you've answered the first 2 questions and have provided useful links for further study. The last 2 questions (below) remain:

In the mean time, since it's my turn to chime in, I'll throw in some meat of my own for readers to chew on:

• A few years ago, I saw an ABC documentary "The JFK Assassination - Beyond Conspiracy", hosted by Peter Jennings. It came across as something that would dig deep and raise more questions but before it was over it was almost laughable how hard the propaganda piece worked to dispel all the questions. I was so puzzled by Peter Jennings participation in the hack job that I tried to find out more about it online. A few weeks later I was watching a documentary on secret societies that included the Bilderberg Group. When one of the photos of the members included Jennings', I understood.
  
• Last month, I posted my disgust with George Stephanopoulos' performance in the ABC Debate. It didn't make sense to me how such a seasoned professional could do such a hack job on the first network debate. Magi pointed out that Georgy is a Bilderberger too. Sure enough, he's on the list.
  
• On the 6th of this month, Hillary and Obama disappeared for their alleged meeting and cameras focused in on Hillary's home. The next morning, Senator Dianne Feinstein popped up and told the press, "oopsy, you missed it. It was at my home". If you research Jane's links, you'll find there is good reason to say, fool me twice, shame on me. That night Obama's plane left Virginia with a pack of reporters on it to interview him. But he wasn't on it, and the press wasn't told until they were off the ground and out of town. Guess what annual meeting was taking place that night, a few miles from the airport, with 120 leaders of business, politics, and media? Well, perhaps I should say 122 leaders.
  
• And if you look on the list of Bilderberg members, whose name appears on it, besides Hillary's? -- Dianne Feinstein!

Back to you Jane:

In general, 9/11 and assassinations aside, how do they impose their will -- execute their decisions/intentions/goals?

Specifically, how do they assure the election of the candidate they choose?

(if these are too difficult to answer you can say so Jane. I know you're dying to jump in Jennifer. I'd like to interview you next, on matters of this world, and beyond...)